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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    See that's the trouble with you Pete, you lie about the facts. The Democrats were never shut out of the legilative process, so they're not giving the Republicans a taste of their own medicine. The Republicans gave a lot of power to the Dems even on committees. Why do you lie, what purpose could it serve? These programs listed create work, temporarily; creating jobs is is a permanent thing and only private industry can do that, not govt. Your ideas are short sighted and typical of liberal thinking.
    American, anyone who knows how to operate a Google Machine can quickly discover countless examples of Republican refusal to include Democrats in the legislative process. Here are just a few examples, from a very quick search:
    The energy bill, developed during secret meetings by a task force headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, was written exclusively by Republicans, who shut out Democrats from conference committee talks that have historically been bipartisan.
    The Medicare bill started out as a bipartisan effort, with Kennedy working with Republican colleagues. But House Republican leaders forced dramatic revisions to the bill and rewrote the package in closed-door sessions.
    Last week Republican members of the U.S. House of Representatives were given a closed-door briefing by Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviser, about the Iraq war, the extension of duty for U.S. troops and the June 30 handover of Iraqi sovereignty. Democrats in Congress were not invited and not allowed to participate.



    So I'm wondering if you're too young to remember the Bush presidency or if you just spin out this crap hoping no one will check on it? Either way you are creating an inappropriately hostile atmosphere by calling a contributor a liar, and lecturing him "that's what your problem is". You do not use facts, seem not to be aware of even recent history, yet try to belittle people who clearly have more knowledge than you.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    why no link?
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    why no link?
    Here, I'll give you some more examples, with links:

    We are basically never invited to participate in the formulation of a bill. ... not only are Democrats not allowed to participate in those conferences, a lot of times we can't even find out where they're meeting.

    Congressman Pete Stark Reflects on Life Under a Republican Dictatorship

    When the House considered the annual appropriations for government spending for the 2004 fiscal year, not only were the Democrats excluded from the conference committees, but they were also excluded from participating in the debate on the House rules for the spending bills....the Republican faction has now resorted to excluding virtually all Democrats, including the Minority leader of the Senate, Tom Daschle, from even attending conference committee meetings.


    Rogue Republican Dons in Congress

    The report is generated strictly by the Republicans on the committee; input from Democratic members was quite limited. The report is generated strictly by the Republicans on the committee; input from Democratic members was quite limited.

    Context of 'August 23, 2006: Republican Intelligence Report on Iran’s Nuclear Program Is Fundamentally False'


    Moreover, since 1994, partisanship has strengthened its hold on Congress. Congressional leaders centralized fundraising so that the parties could use campaign money strategically to make certain that members remained loyal to their agenda. Republicans excluded Democrats from participating in conference committees and relied on stringent rules to prevent them and moderate Republicans from challenging the leadership.


    Sobering Realities - Politico.com


    If you don't like these examples, I'll provide more. Bottom line, Republicans decided to exclude Democrats from the legislative process for 12 years. Now they demand bipartisanship, but reject it immediately. What they want...all they want...is to be in charge, to continue the destruction of America's economy and reputation in the world.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    American, anyone who knows how to operate a Google Machine can quickly discover countless examples of Republican refusal to include Democrats in the legislative process. Here are just a few examples, from a very quick search:
    A Google Machine??? I want one

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That may be. But they apparently were not even informed that the meeting was happening. That's not transparency in government.
    If you were able to find out about it, I'm sure they were able to find out about it as well.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is moronic.


    if they were a part of it they could mitigate the damage.
    By allowing Golden parachutes and no accountability for how the money is spent? That's what they supported previously.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    By allowing Golden parachutes and no accountability for how the money is spent? That's what they supported previously.



    so Golden Parachutes are not allowed under this "stimulus" package? Republicans wanted that in?


    Either you just lied, or you are ignorant my long haired friend.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Here, I'll give you some more examples, with links:


    Congressman Pete Stark Reflects on Life Under a Republican Dictatorship



    Rogue Republican Dons in Congress


    Context of 'August 23, 2006: Republican Intelligence Report on Iranís Nuclear Program Is Fundamentally False'




    Sobering Realities - Politico.com


    If you don't like these examples, I'll provide more. Bottom line, Republicans decided to exclude Democrats from the legislative process for 12 years. Now they demand bipartisanship, but reject it immediately. What they want...all they want...is to be in charge, to continue the destruction of America's economy and reputation in the world.





    Anything from any real sites?


    Bottom line, Bush and Republicans did reach out several times.


    No child left behind for one. Only to be shot down.


    Obama promised change, he has shown none
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post



    Anything from any real sites?


    Bottom line, Bush and Republicans did reach out several times.


    No child left behind for one. Only to be shot down.


    Obama promised change, he has shown none
    IF you mean reach out by "take it or leave it" mentality then yes they did.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    IF you mean reach out by "take it or leave it" mentality then yes they did.



    Exactly. Obama reached out by baming Republicans for this economy, when he had an integral part in the policies that led to the mortgage crisis.


    Pelosi changes house rules that Republicans put in to allow alternative bills to be introduced...


    You mean like that?
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