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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Stop stalling and just pass the bill, if we don't then the terrorists win....errr... I mean the economy will fail. Why do you hate America... I mean errr... Why do you want the economy/Obama to fail?

    Same politics, different words. That's change, right?
    I see you workin on some kind of equivalency, but, no, I don't see it.

    Maybe I just don't subscribe to the idea that the Bush administration slammed through legislation with the hyperbole and hysteria that you falsely attribute to it.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Your arrogant condescension aside, if you had READ what is contained in the Obama tax giveaway, you would have read that it contains what is called a REFUNDABLE Tax Credit. What this means for those who wallow in convenient denial, is that even if you have NO tax liability, which is usually a family making less than $42,000 per year, you will get a check from Uncle Sam.
    That is what Bush called a "stimulus check". Which is not the same as a "refund". You cons just make up your own conversations so you can argue with yourself.

    Therefore, explains the comment from some who call it a tax giveaway.
    I wasn't responding to "some" I was responding to rebelduc. Nice try though.

    But that isn't the real issue; Obama's plan not only is silent about how to pay for all the largess, but his tax rebates don't even apply to those who pay most of the taxes in the nation.
    He's not silent about it, we are going to borrow the money to get us out of the problems that Bush borrowed money to get us into.

    It is flagrant in its class envy populist message. I am still waiting for a Liberal to explain to me what societies ever taxed, spent and printed (money) their nations into prosperity.
    Yours is flagrant in it's class warfare corporatist message. I am still waiting for a con to explain to me what society ever prospered via laissez faire economics.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Pelosi"s funds for bird sanctuary, hybrid vehicles for gov't cars, smoking cessation activities, indian alcohol rehab program, 75 million tax cut for movie producers.... Shall I go on or can you go find the bill all by your big boy self? That's just the stuff off the top of my head.


    Once again, since I'm sure your memory didn't catch this: all of these things are good to have during normal economic times, but NOT, I repeat NOT, during a crisis as part of a economic stimulus bill. Is that clear enough for you Pancho? Now go read the fine print in the bill before you make such ignorant accusations.
    In other words, you didn't read squat and can't quote the first two as I asked because all you've done is repeat what your ditto-master spoon fed you. When you're ready to quote the first two in the bill, then we'll continue the discussion. Until then we can just recognize that you're full of it.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    That is what Bush called a "stimulus check". Which is not the same as a "refund". You cons just make up your own conversations so you can argue with yourself.
    Pay attention, would you.

    The so-called stimulus plan includes refundable tax credits. That means that people without any federal income tax liability are eligible to receive the tax credit.

    The Earned income Tax Credit works precisely the same way.

    The stimulus checks sent out during the Bush administration was not a tax credit.

    He's not silent about it, we are going to borrow the money to get us out of the problems that Bush borrowed money to get us into.
    Isn't it ironic how these Obamabots have no problem condemning Bush for deficit spending but then propose even greater deficit spending to fix it?

    Where's the sense in arguing that deficit spending in bad, therefore, we're going to engage in even more deficit spending to fix it?

    This is whathappens when people suspend their reason in order to kneel at the feet of The One.

    Yours is flagrant in it's class warfare corporatist message. I am still waiting for a con to explain to me what society ever prospered via laissez faire economics.
    Corporatist message, ...

    And the answer, clown, is, of course, the United States. Unless, of course, like a good little liberal, you're gonna simply start redefining what words mean...

    Well?

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    In other words, you didn't read squat and can't quote the first two as I asked because all you've done is repeat what your ditto-master spoon fed you. When you're ready to quote the first two in the bill, then we'll continue the discussion. Until then we can just recognize that you're full of it.
    So your complaint is that he didn't list the first two in the bill?

    Obamabot, please. You're conceding the argument even if you don't know it.

    If you're going to argue that all government spending is stimulative, then make that argument.

    So lets have it.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Frankly, as obnoxious as "We won" sounds, it's TRUE! The Republicans passed bills during Bush's term that allowed all these tax cuts. By voting for Democrats and kicking out the Republicans in massive numbers, the voters are saying to the Republicans, "Your tax cuts haven't worked. We want to try something else."

    Why the Republicans keep pushing their own agenda when it was rejected in November 2008 is beyond me.
    Why shouldn't they? Are you saying the Democrats shouldn't have tried to pursue their own agenda when they were in the minority and Bush was in the White House? If you are, I sure didn't see much complaining from you at the time.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    For this Obama supporter, it's been enjoyable watching the anti-Obama people yell and scream about how horrible he is. I read their posts and think, "Now they know how I felt for the last 8 years." I don't care to respond because, in my opinion, many of the complaints are bogus and aren't worth responding to. Seriously.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Considering that the only way you get a refund is to pay taxes then please explain how someone who doesn't pay taxes gets a tax break? You must have gotten grannys 45 point hot pink text email...
    If there's a sufficient Earned Income Credit, yes, you can get a refund if you never paid taxes. Now, you're right; it's not a "refund" in any real sense; it's taking someone else's money and giving it to you.

    But you obviously need to learn more about the world around you if you think people who don't pay taxes don't get what's called a "refund."
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    At this point, it's probably the best course of action. Most of the Republicans have made it pretty clear that they aren't going to vote for the bill under any circumstances. So if they aren't going to vote for it anyway, why should they be a part of the negotiating? What can they possibly bring to the table?
    That may be. But they apparently were not even informed that the meeting was happening. That's not transparency in government.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    So your complaint is that he didn't list the first two in the bill?

    Obamabot, please. You're conceding the argument even if you don't know it.

    If you're going to argue that all government spending is stimulative, then make that argument.

    So lets have it.
    He can't because he knows that dog won't hunt.
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