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PETA dresses in KKK garb outside Westminster Dog Show

Rightwing86 said:
Those two groups are ALF (Animal Liberation Front) and ELF (Earth Liberation Front).
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What the hell is with envirowackos and fictional creatures?

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Hatuey said:
Did you skip over the fact that the point of evolution is for a species to weed out problems? There wasn't such a thing as a pug 6,000 years ago. Dog breeds are the result of human tampering with animals. Saying that a pug having trouble breathing is the result of evolutionary issues is like saying that a car having a low crash rating is the result of the steel being used and not crappy design.
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Then why are they called "pureblood"?

I looked up "pureblood" in the dictionary and it described it as "of unmixed ancestry".

They don't call me "Captain Obvious" for nothing.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
Captain Obvious said:
First - if a pureblood pug has problems because it's face is flattened, I'd say that's an evolutionary issue - same for the others.
This year, the BBC decided not to cover Crufts, Britain's most prestigious dog show, after the network aired a documentary on the health problems caused by breeding for looks in some types of dogs, such as pugs, who have breathing problems due to the squashed faces required by their breed standard.

David Frei, the voice of Westminster for the past 20 years, acknowledges that there is a "Westminster effect": Whichever breed wins experiences a spike in popularity. Unfortunately, those popular breeds often end up in animal shelters when people belatedly realize they can't handle a dog that grows to be 80 pounds or needs to be exercised five hours a day.


globeandmail.com: Best in show may not be best for dogs


I also posted a bunch of other links in this thread that talk about the topic of designer breeding. One link has pics of certain breeds from the turn of the century, and you can see how the breeds has evolved.
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I actually agree with PETA somewhat in this case there is no important reason to breed dogs into a debilitating condition just for the sake of some warped idea of dog beauty.
 
Here's what looks like a decent source for dog breeding information, though I can't confirm the credibility of this source:

DOG BREEDING ARTICLES
 
Here's a doc by the BBC done last August that was the primary reason why the BBC will not air Crufts, "the world's greatest dog show."

In response to the BBC documentary, Britain's Kennel Club undertook some aggressive housekeeping, warning breed clubs that the most extreme traits wouldn't be tolerated any more. It was too little, too late, however; the BBC decided they were going to stop airing Crufts, and the show lost the support of its longtime pet food sponsor as well.

Are dog shows hurting dogs?


Here's "Pedigree Dogs Exposed:"
Documentary - BBC - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Video by Eric - MySpace Video

It's an hour long, but quite interesting.
 
People still take PETA semi-seriously?


They should go back to their old uniform... you know... naked chicks running around protesting fur.

I liked them much better that way. :mrgreen:
 
the makeout hobo said:
Purebreds suffer from a variety of health problems. Almost every breed is prone to at least one specific health problem. Pugs get respiratory problem from having those smashed faces. Spaniels get bad ear problems from those huge ears of theirs. If I remember correctly, rottweilers suffer from bad hips, and other breeds are prone to certain kinds of cancers. By intentionally breeding a purebred dog, you're almost guaranteeing a dog will have some bad health problem.
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This is due to inbreeding. Purebreds are sorta like the royalty of times past, they would inbreed to "preserve the bloodline" sort of thing. Humans have been selectively breeding dogs for a long long time, that's why there are so many variants; we made a lot of different ones for various tasks. But there is a problem now with purebreds in that the way to guarantee them is through inbreeding and of course inbreeding produces greater chances of recessive genes being activated. Purebreds do suffer a lot of unique disease because of how they were bred. It's kinda sad cause dogs are meant to be happy and run around and play fetch...at least that's what I'd do if I was a dog.

the makeout hobo said:
The other main problem is that there are so many shelter dogs out there. If someone breeds and sells a purebred dog, that's one more mutt in a shelter that'll likely be put to sleep. As a side note, she hates "designer breeds" like labradoodles and cockapoos with a passion. Nowdays, you can breed any two dogs, and get people to pay out the nose for a "designer dog" that they'd pass over in a shelter. It's sad.
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Shelter dogs are the way to go, you can find many good animals there.

The thing I hate are those hand dogs...not even lap dogs, some lap dogs are really cool. Hand dogs...and the people who own them.
 
Middleground said:
Here's a doc by the BBC done last August that was the primary reason why the BBC will not air Crufts, "the world's greatest dog show."
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Middleground, did you not see earlier where everything British can be rubbished simply because of personal opinion?

Gill said:
--snip-- Great Britain has passed all kinds of silly laws. They are the epitome of PC there--snip--
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Anyhow - I'm certain the problems that affect some Spaniel breeds are just as similar in the US and in the UK and Australia, that the problems that affect some breeds hips (Alsations) are just as similar in the US as in the UK etc.

But then we're apparently "PC" so that discounts the evidence we might produce. :roll:
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Middleground, did you not see earlier where everything British can be rubbished simply because of personal opinion?
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I just rubbished the word "rubbished" for that very reason. It's in the bin, next to the stale biscuits. Now I'm going to drink some Bovril.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Middleground, did you not see earlier where everything British can be rubbished simply because of personal opinion?



Anyhow - I'm certain the problems that affect some Spaniel breeds are just as similar in the US and in the UK and Australia, that the problems that affect some breeds hips (Alsations) are just as similar in the US as in the UK etc.

But then we're apparently "PC" so that discounts the evidence we might produce. :roll:
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Watch the doc and get back to me on that, m'kay? I just did, and found it quite informative. Do you think it's cool for a dog with obvious genetic problems to win best of show? So watch it, and let me know what is wrong with the doc. The "it's British," excuse is simply nonesense.
 
No, I'm not (but my mutant dog is)
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I watched it first time round on BBC when it first aired. The show came about because the chief RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) Vet called crufts a "Parade of Mutants" - after which the RSPCA pulled out of the Crufts Show.
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So what is wrong with the doc? I found it quite compelling.
 
Captain Obvious said:
Then why are they called "pureblood"?

I looked up "pureblood" in the dictionary and it described it as "of unmixed ancestry".

They don't call me "Captain Obvious" for nothing.

:lol::lol::lol:
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Wow. I don't even know where to start with the simpleton like qualities you've displayed in your post but here's probably a good place :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purebred_(dog)

Purebred dog refers to a dog of a modern dog breed that closely resembles other dogs of the same breed, with ancestry documented in a stud book and registered with one of the major dog registries. Documentation (so that the dog is known to be descended from specific ancestors) and registration distinguish modern breeds from dog types or landraces of dog (sometimes called natural breeds or ancient breeds) that arose under human influence over a long period of time to do a specific type of work.[1]
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Purebred dogs represent to many commentators the attitudes of the late Victorian era, when dog breeding first became popular and when most modern breeds originated. Purebred dogs were bred from a narrow set of ancestors, and an idea developed that this somehow made them superior in both appearance and in general goodness. Englishman Francis Galton used the term eugenics to refer to his ideas for applying domestic animal breeding techniques to humans, to produce a 'pure' and 'good' elite; the idea became an intellectual fad, promoted by people as diverse as Margaret Sanger[14] and dog writer Leon Fradley Whitney,[17] who both promoted the sterilization of 'unfit' humans; ideas that were extended horrifyingly by the Nazis in World War II era Germany.
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Most purebred breeds that exist today were created in the late 1800s from older dog types by selective breeding and rigorous culling.[22] This created a genetic bottleneck that will at some point render breeding from closed stud books unviable. Suggestions for improvement have included outcrossing (opening studbooks) and measuring and regulating inbreeding.
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As far as Pugs go :

Bred to adorn the laps of the Chinese sovereigns during the Shang dynasty (1600-1046 BC),[4] in East China, they were known as "Lo-Chiang-Sze" or "Foo"[4][7] (ceramic foos, transmogrified into dragon, with their bulging eyes are very Pug-like). The Pug's popularity spread to Tibet, where they were mainly kept by monks, and then went onto Japan, and finally Europe.[4]
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And now for the final nail in your coffin :

Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two major mechanisms drive evolution. The first is natural selection, a process causing heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common in a population, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, so that more individuals in the next generation inherit these traits.[1][2] Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment.[3]
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I really think you should tell the mods to change your name now.
 
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Middleground said:
So what is wrong with the doc? I found it quite compelling.
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My apologies MG, the structure of my first response on this thread probably misled you. I actually agree you - my quote of "Gill's" response was my sardonic explanation of why the evidence of BBC programme and the UK vets interviewed on the programme was not to be believed by some on a primarily US forum.

I have heard that irony doesn't translate very well across the pond, I'll tone it down in future. Might have to cut a hand off to achieve that though.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I have heard that irony doesn't translate very well across the pond, I'll tone it down in future. Might have to cut a hand off to achieve that though.
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It translates fine. Keep it coming. :mrgreen:

Who really cares if the canucks just don't get it. :2razz:
 
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