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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post


    Personally I don't look up to those who serve in the military unless they're fighting for a proper war of national defence like WWII. They're no better than anyone else and I have an ancient Tory suspicion of standing armies.
    Without peacetime soldiers we'd invite attack.

    Then you'd be able to look up to the bodies that are shipped home as well as the wounded.

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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

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    Recruiting. You could be the guy coming up with those corny recruiting videos. You're Strong, we'll make you Army Strong!
    I prefer The Marines commercials personally.
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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post


    Personally I don't look up to those who serve in the military unless they're fighting for a proper war of national defence like WWII. They're no better than anyone else and I have an ancient Tory suspicion of standing armies.

    As Robert Nisbet pointed out so well, and many others before and since, the values and effects on militarisation and war on society can be very perverse from a Conservative, Libertarian and Decentralist position. In Britain I want a far tighter rein kept on the military. "War is the Health of the state" as Randolph Bourne pointed out.
    Does the war on terror pass the test ? I think it does. I`m not pleased with how its been conducted but," mission accomplished". No terror attacks since we took issue with the scumbags and followed them home.... BTW, Australia has a highly respected military..., Look up to them.

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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Without peacetime soldiers we'd invite attack.
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    That is no reason to look up to them over a lot of other people.

    A limited, peacetime military is needed perhaps but that does not remove the great dangers of militarism and war with its always accompanying centralisation, authoritarianism and bureaucracy which do so much to endanger Conservative values and society.
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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Does the war on terror pass the test ? I think it does. I`m not pleased with how its been conducted but," mission accomplished". No terror attacks since we took issue with the scumbags and followed them home.... BTW, Australia has a highly respected military..., Look up to them.
    I certainly don't think the war on terror passes the test for Britain. It is foolish interventionism that is a menace to domestic liberty and external security. Britain should never have been involved.
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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That is no reason to look up to them a lot of other people.

    A limited, peacetime military is needed perhaps but that does not remove the great dangers of militarism and war with its always accompanying centralisation, authoritarianism and bureaucracy which do so much to endanger Conservative values and society.
    That argument reminds me of someone railing about the sins of too much money and citing Bernard Madoff while the audience he's ranting to are sleeping in their cars or worrying about being laid off.

    Relatively few here fear the military taking over the government.

    Maybe it's different where you live.

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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    That argument reminds me of someone railing about the sins of too much money and citing Bernard Madoff while the audience he's ranting to are sleeping in their cars or worrying about being laid off.
    That argument reminds me of a lack of a decent argument.

    Relatively few here fear the military taking over the government.

    Maybe it's different where you live.
    Who said the military taking over the gov't? I was not being so crude. I was talking of the negative influence that a high degree of military values and wartime feeling can have on a society and the relationship between the state and the traditional, intermediate associations and their values.

    To quote Alexis De Tocqueville:

    All men of military genius are fond of centralization, which increases their strength; and all men of centralizing genius are fond of war, which compels nations to combine all their powers in the hands of the government. Thus the democratic tendency that leads men unceasingly to multiply the privileges of the state and to circumscribe the rights of private persons is much more rapid and constant among those democratic nations that are exposed by their position to great and frequent wars than among all others.
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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That is no reason to look up to them over a lot of other people.
    Yes it is.

    They have volunteered to be part of a thin camouflaged line such that if/when something does occur they would be the first to confront it while the rest of the country geared up for war.

    And btw, every Marine is a hero because they KNOW they would go into harm's way first.

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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That argument reminds me of a lack of a decent argument.


    Who said the military taking over the gov't? I was not being so crude. I was talking of the negative influence that a high degree of military values and wartime feeling can have on a society and the relationship between the state and the traditional, intermediate associations and their values.

    To quote Alexis De Tocqueville:

    All men of military genius are fond of centralization, which increases their strength; and all men of centralizing genius are fond of war, which compels nations to combine all their powers in the hands of the government. Thus the democratic tendency that leads men unceasingly to multiply the privileges of the state and to circumscribe the rights of private persons is much more rapid and constant among those democratic nations that are exposed by their position to great and frequent wars than among all others.
    Nevermind...
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    Re: Military recruitment surges as jobs disappear

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Yes it is.

    They have volunteered to be part of a thin camouflaged line such that if/when something does occur they would be the first to confront it while the rest of the country geared up for war.

    And btw, every Marine is a hero because they KNOW they would go into harm's way first.
    If/When is the key part. They may have to defend their country so they are heros. Well I'm sure as hell willing to defend it as well. I respect an armed man who knows how to use his weapon just as much.

    What you mean is they are perhaps responsible for the everyday continuance of their nation. Well so are many people that should be respected as much.
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