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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    While I agree that the immigrants were in the wrong, I think it's asinine to say that they do not have rights. They are human beings, much like you and I.
    Sure, they have rights. They do NOT have the right to tresspass on someone else's land.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

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    That is rich coming from you who have several times shown yourself the enemy of private property.
    You can't distinguish the difference between Constitutionally protected rights in the United States and the change of regime in the Palestinian Mandate. I am sorry for you and your inability to understand that what is reality is one place simply doesn't necessarily apply somewhere else. Perhaps, if you were to live in a variety of cultures in your life, you would understand this basic concept.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What are these? Except a load of liberal, abstract bollocks of course.

    As Joseph De Maistre pointed out, he had never met a "Man" ie a Human. He'd met Frenchman, Germans, Englishmen and he'd even heard of a Persian but never met a man.
    Have you ever heard of the Declaration of the Rights of "Man" and the Citizen? Goes back over 200 years. Ever heard of the Universal Declaration of "Human" Rights? Goes back over 60 years. Perhaps you should get your head out of the sand sometime.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You can't distinguish the difference between Constitutionally protected rights in the United States and the change of regime in the Palestinian Mandate. I am sorry for you and your inability to understand that what is reality is one place simply doesn't necessarily apply somewhere else. Perhaps, if you were to live in a variety of cultures in your life, you would understand this basic concept.
    You believe property rights come from the state, have defended the complete eradication of them several times and seem to be practicing hypocrisy.

    Have you ever heard of the Declaration of the Rights of "Man" and the Citizen? Goes back over 200 years. Ever heard of the Universal Declaration of "Human" Rights? Goes back over 60 years. Perhaps you should get your head out of the sand sometime.
    What the hell kind of Conservative are you?

    You attack property rights again and again and claim they come from the state then you appeal to Jacobinism, which De Maistre was specifically attacking, and the UN as universal law.

    Human rights, like the so called rights of man, are abstract liberal bollocks which are contrary to common law principles and about forcing through their universalist, liberal agenda. They deserve the same derision that the great Conservative masters like Burke and De Maistre gave the Jacobin foolishness; "The rights of man".

    And again what kind of Catholic has much time for Jacobins? Are you unaware of the history of the French revolution?
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    Illegals attempt to sue rancher for protecting his property

    An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

    Source: Washington Times - 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher

    Pictures of a similar illegal immigrant "super highway" showing the kind of debris left behind. You'd think the Border patrol could sit in lawn chairs and wait for the illegals to show up.

    Example 1

    Example 2

    After turning in over 12,000 illegals after 10 years you'd think someone would have given him a medal by now. Even if exaggerated and only half that amount its still a pretty big achievement for a single guy. Not hard to imagine though since many illegals move in large "coyote" groups and not single entities.

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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You believe property rights come from the state, have defended the complete eradication of them several times and seem to be practicing hypocrisy.

    What the hell kind of Conservative are you?

    You attack property rights again and again and claim they come from the state then you appeal to Jacobinism, which De Maistre was specifically attacking, and the UN as universal law.

    Human rights, like the so called rights of man, are abstract liberal bollocks which are contrary to common law principles and about forcing through their universalist, liberal agenda. They deserve the same derision that the great Conservative masters like Burke and De Maistre gave the Jacobin foolishness; "The rights of man".

    And again what kind of Catholic has much time for Jacobins? Are you unaware of the history of the French revolution?
    Actually, where I agree most strongly with you is the argument that property rights do not come from the state. Actually our Bill of Rights is based on property rights, so the state (the USA, that is) is actually derived FROM property rights, and not the other way around.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Property rights are inalienable as stated in the DoI.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, where I agree most strongly with you is the argument that property rights do not come from the state. Actually our Bill of Rights is based on property rights, so the state (the USA, that is) is actually derived FROM property rights, and not the other way around.
    The state is derived from war, historically speaking no modern, or ancient I believe, state has been found to have any other origin.

    Property rights derive from society and the necessary autonomy and liberties, in the medieval usage, that intermediate associations like family require. Man has a right, a natural right if you will, to those benefits for which society is meant to provide including the the stable ownership of individual and group property interpreted through convention.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Sure, they have rights. They do NOT have the right to tresspass on someone else's land.
    I do not recall claiming that they had the right to trespass...
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