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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    As I said here many times> Vote ALL of our politicans OUT of OFFICE for tiptoeing around the illegals and for kissing their ASS' for votes!
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    What's with the calls to fine the lawyer? Are you all against a fair justice system now?

    Disgusting.
    You think the lawyer is concerned with justice?
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    People who were committing an illegal activity(trespassing the border) can sue people who live here legally(the rancher) for an act which is under America law legal(regulating access to your property).

    America is a great country.

    .....And....holy **** that is funny.
    Why do you think everything is funny? You think losing sovereignty is funny?
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why do you think everything is funny? You think losing sovereignty is funny?
    Yawn @ Losing sovereignty. Save the hysterics and rhetoric for when Mexican illegals are taking over Washington D.C.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You think the lawyer is concerned with justice?
    Lawyers are bound to justice by the dictates of their oath... RIGHT ? RIGHT...? Please say yes. NO! They are bound to their wallets! BTW soveriegnty is vital to the diversity that fertilizes truely strong economies. WE globalized, took away the diversity(soveriegnty),and wooosh..., economy down the toilet. In light of this glareing proof most wouldn`t have it any other way. Globalism = great gobs of money...more,more,more, at all cost, for the money whore. The globalist repubs in Brentwood Tennessee can`t get enough of those lawn care pro`s from south of the border... CHEAP, CHEAP. The repubs will probably want to pay the prosecutors fees in this case....

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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Regulating access to your property is completely legal. Threatening to kill someone and kicking a woman while she's down on the ground are not, nor is trespassing on state property and holding US citizens hostage.
    The trespassing on state property is a separate issue, though I'm surprised it didn't end in jail time for unlawful arrest or the civilian equivalent. This specific case I'm more willing to lean towards property owner as he has apparently suffered much damage, vandalism, and theft at the hands of illegals. I'd be on edge to. As for the assault charge, well they'll have to prove that I guess. I don't know what sort of laws they have in his state, but in my State I can shoot people for trespassing if I feel they pose a threat to me.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    You know, lots of people like to scream "I have rights", but with rights come responsibility and not violating the rights of others.

    Want to know who has the right to do whatever he absolutely wants without having to take responsibility? A baby. He screams when hungry, screams when he needs his diaper changed, etc, etc. But that's OK, and we understand. He is a baby, after all. But by the time a baby reaches adulthood, he has matured enough to understand that, when you want to assert your right to do something, you cannot violate the rights of others in doing it.

    At this point, I am not sure who the biggest babies are - The illegals who thought they could violate a man's property rights without being held responsible, the judge who seems to think it is OK for illegal aliens to violate someone else's rights, or those who support the illegal aliens violating someone else's rights.

    One last point. There is a difference between rights and privileges. If you want to cross someone's land, you must get his permission. That is known as a privilege, not a right.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, lots of people like to scream "I have rights", but with rights come responsibility and not violating the rights of others.

    Want to know who has the right to do whatever he absolutely wants without having to take responsibility? A baby. He screams when hungry, screams when he needs his diaper changed, etc, etc. But that's OK, and we understand. He is a baby, after all. But by the time a baby reaches adulthood, he has matured enough to understand that, when you want to assert your right to do something, you cannot violate the rights of others in doing it.

    At this point, I am not sure who the biggest babies are - The illegals who thought they could violate a man's property rights without being held responsible, the judge who seems to think it is OK for illegal aliens to violate someone else's rights, or those who support the illegal aliens violating someone else's rights.

    One last point. There is a difference between rights and privileges. If you want to cross someone's land, you must get his permission. That is known as a privilege, not a right.
    So often its the HUMAN RIGHTS crowd who will tramp all over others rights. Our government is looking out for our RIGHTS, right ? ...Right ? ...justice for all ? ...Right ? Fair Labor,...Fair Trade,...equal rights,...free speach,...equal houseing, etc. So often those things we all claim to insist on for ALL, we show to not care about, at all, for SOME... so often.

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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You think the lawyer is concerned with justice?
    I'm pretty sure the lawyer is a dbag hippie activist who I would be sick of after 30 seconds, but that doesn't change the fact that it at least the first case, they had a strong claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The trespassing on state property is a separate issue, though I'm surprised it didn't end in jail time for unlawful arrest or the civilian equivalent. This specific case I'm more willing to lean towards property owner as he has apparently suffered much damage, vandalism, and theft at the hands of illegals. I'd be on edge to. As for the assault charge, well they'll have to prove that I guess. I don't know what sort of laws they have in his state, but in my State I can shoot people for trespassing if I feel they pose a threat to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, lots of people like to scream "I have rights", but with rights come responsibility and not violating the rights of others.

    Want to know who has the right to do whatever he absolutely wants without having to take responsibility? A baby. He screams when hungry, screams when he needs his diaper changed, etc, etc. But that's OK, and we understand. He is a baby, after all. But by the time a baby reaches adulthood, he has matured enough to understand that, when you want to assert your right to do something, you cannot violate the rights of others in doing it.

    At this point, I am not sure who the biggest babies are - The illegals who thought they could violate a man's property rights without being held responsible, the judge who seems to think it is OK for illegal aliens to violate someone else's rights, or those who support the illegal aliens violating someone else's rights.

    One last point. There is a difference between rights and privileges. If you want to cross someone's land, you must get his permission. That is known as a privilege, not a right.

    Again, nobody is defending the actions of the illegals in this case, nor is anyone saying that the guy didn't have the right to defend his property. However, there is a huge difference between stopping some people on your property and calling the cops, and between stopping some people on your property, threatening to kill them, kicking a woman who is down on the ground and not resisting, etc.

    The fact that someone trespasses doesn't mean you get to do that.

    We don't know all the facts, but going off of what we do know, I can draw some pretty obvious conclusions about the guy. The fact that he says he's turned in over 12,000 illegals over the years, combined with the fact that he has a whole electronic tracking and hunting system set up, combined with the fact that he's reckless and stupid enough to chase after legal citizens on state property and hold them hostage indicates to me that he's a giddy redneck who probably loves this **** and gets off on hunting people down and demonstrating his power over them.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Again, nobody is defending the actions of the illegals in this case, nor is anyone saying that the guy didn't have the right to defend his property. However, there is a huge difference between stopping some people on your property and calling the cops, and between stopping some people on your property, threatening to kill them, kicking a woman who is down on the ground and not resisting, etc.

    The fact that someone trespasses doesn't mean you get to do that.

    We don't know all the facts, but going off of what we do know, I can draw some pretty obvious conclusions about the guy. The fact that he says he's turned in over 12,000 illegals over the years, combined with the fact that he has a whole electronic tracking and hunting system set up, combined with the fact that he's reckless and stupid enough to chase after legal citizens on state property and hold them hostage indicates to me that he's a giddy redneck who probably loves this **** and gets off on hunting people down and demonstrating his power over them.
    Given the information, it sounds more to me like a man who has had his property trashed, stolen, and livestock killed on multiple occasions and finally had enough. Should he been calmer? Yeah, probably, but I can see why he's upset. I mean, he could have just shot the whole lot of them. Given the damage to his property and livelihood in the past, I would say that they posed serious threat to him.
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