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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Under AZ law it is legal to hold a person who has committed a felony with the threat of violence... or otherwise.

    Them crossing the border illegally onto his land was a felony.
    The land owner has used great restraint in only [holding] the illegals/felons. I do agree that they deserve to be allowed to go on liveing , but do it in Mexico. We can`t take anymore.... There is a fat GOP who wants more,(cheap lawn care), but we can`t handle anymore. Thanks Steve.

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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    While I agree that the immigrants were in the wrong, I think it's asinine to say that they do not have rights. They are human beings, much like you and I.
    That's right, but they shouldn't suing landowners. He has a right to protect his property, and didn't harm the illegals when he turned them over to authorities.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    We're talking about land rights here, not human rights. If they entered a country on an illegal basis they are not subjected to be protected by the laws of the land, but are subjected to be persecuted under them. So kick them out of the country. They have no right to be there therefore they are not subjected to the national rights of the people.
    This is completely incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Under AZ law it is legal to hold a person who has committed a felony with the threat of violence... or otherwise.

    Them crossing the border illegally onto his land was a felony.
    Link for either of those claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's right, but they shouldn't suing landowners. He has a right to protect his property, and didn't harm the illegals when he turned them over to authorities.
    That's not what they claim:

    Attorneys for the 16 people who were trying to cross into the U.S. illegally accuse Roger Barnett of holding a gun on the group, threatening them with his dog and also threatening to shoot anyone who tried to escape, according to a news release from the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

    The group also said Barnett kicked one of the women in the group when she was on the ground.
    And for those of you who claim that this guy was just defending his land - he's not exactly new to being sued for his actions:

    Today, the Arizona Supreme Court rejected the appeal of border vigilante Roger Barnett who was found liable by a jury after assaulting a family of Latino U.S. citizens while they were hunting on state land in southern Arizona. The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which represents the plaintiffs in the case, urged the Supreme Court to reject Barnett’s appeal and argued that the jury had rightfully found Barnett at fault for his vicious attack upon the family.

    The Morales family and Emma English, a family friend, filed suit after Barnett confronted them on state leased land in November 2004, while they were on a family hunting trip. Armed with a semi-automatic military-style assault rifle, Barnett held the family at gunpoint, cursed and screamed racial slurs at them and threatened to kill them all. The jury heard the testimony of three young girls, all under the age of 12 at the time, that vividly described the event and the trauma they suffered at the hands of Barnett. The jury ultimately awarded the family $100,000 in damages, which Barnett must pay now that the Supreme Court has rejected his appeal.
    So this guy has been found liable for damages before when he went onto state land, held a family of US CITIZENS at gunpoint because he thought they were illegal immigrants, and threatened to kill them.

    He sounds like a grade A scumbag.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    What's with the calls to fine the lawyer? Are you all against a fair justice system now?

    Disgusting.

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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Don't these illegals understand the concept of private property? It isn't as if Mexico doesn't have that concept as well or anything.


    That is rich coming from you who have several times shown yourself the enemy of private property.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Though you may not be, I was talking about human rights.
    What are these? Except a load of liberal, abstract bollocks of course.

    As Joseph De Maistre pointed out, he had never met a "Man" ie a Human. He'd met Frenchman, Germans, Englishmen and he'd even heard of a Persian but never met a man.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    When the judges don't do anything to protect the rights of trespassing private property owned by US citizens, I see completely legal the reaction of the US citizens to make the law be fulfilled in their properties with their own methods.

    I will also kick any moving body in my land if doesn't obey my order to stop until police arrives and take the trespassers.

    And about the judge with "his way of sentencing justice", I sure shall send him to Mexico to live and work over there, because after all, such is that with Mexicans his personal identification appears to be.

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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    When the judges don't do anything to protect the rights of trespassing private property owned by US citizens, I see completely legal the reaction of the US citizens to make the law be fulfilled in their properties with their own methods.
    So call the cops. You don't get to beat the **** out of someone for having walked across your yard.

    I will also kick any moving body in my land if doesn't obey my order to stop until police arrives and take the trespassers.
    And I will laugh my dick off when you get sued.

    And about the judge with "his way of sentencing justice", I sure shall send him to Mexico to live and work over there, because after all, such is that with Mexicans his personal identification appears to be.
    No you won't.

    Again, did you just gloss over the fact that the guy got in trouble once before for holding up US CITIZENS on STATE PROPERTY and threatening to kill them? This guy doesn't sound like the average joe trying to protect his family, he's a ****ing piece of **** racist who probably laughs with his other redneck retard buddies about going out and hunting spics.

    **** him, and I'm glad his stupid ass faces this suit on top of the $100k he already got ordered to pay. Maybe he'll learn a ****ing lesson from this, doubtful as that is.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    People who were committing an illegal activity(trespassing the border) can sue people who live here legally(the rancher) for an act which is under America law legal(regulating access to your property).

    America is a great country.

    .....And....holy **** that is funny.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 02-10-09 at 02:37 AM.
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    Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    People who were committing an illegal activity(trespassing the border) can sue people who live here legally(the rancher) for an act which is under America law legal(regulating access to your property).

    America is a great country.

    .....And....holy **** that is funny.
    Regulating access to your property is completely legal. Threatening to kill someone and kicking a woman while she's down on the ground are not, nor is trespassing on state property and holding US citizens hostage.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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