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    Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States - WSJ.com

    The hefty increase in the federal cigarette tax to help fund a children's health-insurance program has buoyed tobacco foes, who say it will breathe new life into efforts to curb smoking. But last week's move by Washington could also complicate efforts around the U.S. to boost state cigarette taxes.

    Officials in at least 16 states -- including Mississippi, Georgia and Kentucky -- are weighing proposals for significant cigarette-tax increases to fill gaping budget holes or fund programs, calling in some cases for levies more than four times as high as current amounts. The sharply increased federal levy could alter their calculus, because the higher cigarette prices are likely to decrease sales, eroding projected tax revenue.

    A 10% increase in the price of a pack reduces consumption by about 4%, said Frank J. Chaloupka, an economist and tobacco-tax expert at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Although higher prices reduce the number of cigarettes smoked, tobacco-tax revenue has still risen in nearly every state that imposed significant tax increases, he said. The new federal tax could motivate states to raise their own taxes to help offset the expected drop in cigarette sales, Mr. Chaloupka said.

    But back-to-back federal and state tax increases could significantly drive down revenue from sales, as well as foster counterfeit trade, warns David Sutton, a spokesman for Altria Group Inc., the country's largest cigarette maker.
    The National Association of Tobacco Outlets estimates that the federal tax increase, which applies to several forms of tobacco, will lead to the loss of 117,000 of the industry's 1.2 million jobs, a devastating blow especially in a bad economy, said Executive Director Tom Briant. "There are a lot of hardworking people who are going to lose their stores, and all their employees will lose their jobs," he said.
    How do you feel about funding SCHIP, since most likely the revenues from cigarette taxes will not cover the costs of the program?
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Taxed Cigarettes are okay by me.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Taxed Cigarettes are okay by me.
    The article is insinuating that because states are also raising taxes on cigarettes that it will curb use, which reduces funds for SCHIP.

    Who will they collect from when there are not enough taxes from cigarettes to fund the program?
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The article is insinuating that because states are also raising taxes on cigarettes that it will curb use, which reduces funds for SCHIP.

    Who will they collect from when there are not enough taxes from cigarettes to fund the program?

    If it curbs the use then we will find another harmful product which to tax more.

    We will do that until that harmful product's usage is curbed and the taxes on cigarettes will be slowly lowered.

    Then we re-tax the cigarettes, curb the use once again. Wash and repeat.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    If it curbs the use then we will find another harmful product which to tax more.

    We will do that until that harmful product's usage is curbed and the taxes on cigarettes will be slowly lowered.

    Then we re-tax the cigarettes, curb the use once again. Wash and repeat.
    My prediction for the future will be that those taxes alone will not support the program.

    The general fund will have to make up the revenue stream and a whole lot of people who see a cheap source for insurance, that already have a commercial plan, will hop on board their state SCHIP plan.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Legalise Class A drugs, then Tax them.
    Increase Taxes on Alcohol.

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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    I think it is total B.S.! Smokers get screwed once again

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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think it is total B.S.! Smokers get screwed once again
    In the end everyone will get screwed by this.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Some of my buddys that smoke are sick and tired of the HUGE taxes put on the butts and now R.I. is putting another $1.00 tax per pack.
    Oh and the tax money going for the 'kids' is the same bull**** that R.I. and Mass. have always used but the tax goes into the 'general fund' where it gets lost.
    Same old same old bull****, for the kids, for the seniors.
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    I just got back from the computer show in Rockingham, New Hamphire and I brought 50 cartons back to the guys at $30.00 a carton. There is no sales tax in New Hamphire. Even at that thats a $3.00 savings per pack.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    I've never understood why people continue to propose .such massive amounts of funding for smoking cessation programs. Instead of spending $75m, why not just jack up the taxes on them and make $75m while having the same deterrent effect?
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