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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    For the top students in the country? That is assuming they want to be a doctor. I could never check arm pits, gross feet, and old vaginas... To make that your profession requires (for the most part) a humanitarian perspective.
    Something else worth noting:

    Unlike other graduate disciplines, there are no bad med schools (not counting the Caribbean). Anyone who gets accepted to any US med school is incredibly intelligent and hard working and has the necessary tools to become a good doctor.

    I see no reason why the government shouldn't be more proactive about addressing the ridiculously high tuition by subsidizing the cost of med school. My girlfriend will be graduating with $300k in debt, and will then spend 7 years in her residencies making between $45-55k. Her debt has served as a huge factor for her in deciding to enter a field where she can pay it back as soon as possible, as opposed to entering a field that she might like more and that would better serve the community as a whole.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're not old enough to know what that smoking will do, because it won't happen till much later. Have fun running.
    It's impossible to know about something until you experience it?
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I could too.

    Great idea Golden
    State programs already exist for high demand programs such as occupational therapy and speech pathology/audiology. They just require recipients to practice in the state for 3-5 years.

    Some people are upset that we export manufacturing jobs overseas. How many foreign doctors enter the US market yearly? 1,000? 5,000?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're not old enough to know what that smoking will do, because it won't happen till much later. Have fun running.
    Hahahahahahhaahahahahhaahahahahahahhahahahahahahah ahahahah

    Seriously? I've been barraged with ads, courses, and all sorts of pamphlets on the hazards of smoking and how if I keep at it I will have a hole in my throat, and my lips will start to be covered in growths, and my eyes will pop out of my head (okay I made the last one up, but it would be pretty sweet).

    Genetically speaking, I am more likely to die while I am 50 by heart problems.

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    Let me tell you:

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    "A rich and mighty Persian once walked in his garden with one of his servants. The servant cried that he had just encountered Death, who had threatened him. He begged his master to give him his fastest horse so that he could make haste and flee to Teheran, which he could reach that same evening. The master consented and the servant galloped off on the horse. On returning to his house the master himself met Death, and questioned him, 'Why did you terrify and threaten my servant?'

    'I did not threaten him; I only showed surprise in still finding him here when I planned to meet him tonight in Teheran,' said Death.'"

    Death will always be right over your left shoulder, yes right over there.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    State programs already exist for high demand programs such as occupational therapy and speech pathology/audiology. They just require recipients to practice in the state for 3-5 years.

    Some people are upset that we export manufacturing jobs overseas. How many foreign doctors enter the US market yearly? 1,000? 5,000?
    Wasn't there a problem at one point with foreign doctors coming to America, learning, and then heading back home (as if we could blame them)? Or was that just partisan hackery?

    Personally I would love if Doctors from American Medical Schools spread throughout the world. Would be great advertisement to be saved from a local who got his education at an American insitution.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Something else worth noting:

    Unlike other graduate disciplines, there are no bad med schools (not counting the Caribbean). Anyone who gets accepted to any US med school is incredibly intelligent and hard working and has the necessary tools to become a good doctor.

    I see no reason why the government shouldn't be more proactive about addressing the ridiculously high tuition by subsidizing the cost of med school. My girlfriend will be graduating with $300k in debt, and will then spend 7 years in her residencies making between $45-55k. Her debt has served as a huge factor for her in deciding to enter a field where she can pay it back as soon as possible, as opposed to entering a field that she might like more and that would better serve the community as a whole.
    Instead of funding individual medical costs, funding medical scholars be it in practice or research would go much farther. I worry about quotas in a federal fashion. God forbid a plastic surgery lobby...

    The increasing costs of medical school most definitely contribute to the higher cost of medical care. Health care production is also one of our major exports.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Wasn't there a problem at one point with foreign doctors coming to America, learning, and then heading back home (as if we could blame them)? Or was that just partisan hackery?

    Personally I would love if Doctors from American Medical Schools spread throughout the world. Would be great advertisement to be saved from a local who got his education at an American insitution.
    If they could earn as much as they did here, i suppose they would return home. I believe that not to be the general case though. We do have US doctors all over.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    If they could earn as much as they did here, i suppose they would return home. I believe that not to be the general case though. We do have US doctors all over.
    Ah I meant a local as in was raised in India, went to school in America, and moved back to India and a local was treated by an Indian doctor who was taught in America.

    But I guess we don't have to do advertising for our universities, and medical schools, as they are the best in the world by far.
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Ah I meant a local as in was raised in India, went to school in America, and moved back to India and a local was treated by an Indian doctor who was taught in America.

    But I guess we don't have to do advertising for our universities, and medical schools, as they are the best in the world by far.
    Shhh! UHC natives might bring up WHO stats
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    Re: Cigarette Tax Clouds Boosts Among States

    I went to the convenient store today, and asked for a pack of camel lights.

    "That'll be $7.25"

    "HA! I quit."

    As for the other conversation, aren't something like 45% of doctors in the US foreign educated? It makes no sense, we surrender the high paying jobs to foreigners but when they come to mow lawns we get all uppity.
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