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    Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change | U.S. | Reuters

    CINCINNATI (Reuters) - Maternity leave. Affordable child-care. Flexible work arrangements. When first lady Michelle Obama said she wanted to help working women balance career and family, American moms applauded -- and immediately came up with a wish-list of policy changes.

    The list of demands from working parents in the United States is long, in part because family policies lag far behind most industrialized nations.

    There is no paid maternity leave mandated in the United States, a situation shared by only three other countries: Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, and Liberia, according to a 2007 study by Harvard and McGill universities.

    "I've heard mothers in some European countries get paid to stay home," said Fleming, somewhat incredulously. "I don't see that happening, companies (here) don't value it as much."

    "I work, my husband works, and child-care is like $1,500 a month for an infant. That's crazy. You can hardly afford to work and pay the bill," Fleming said.

    Beth Myers Graham, a 36-year-old mother of two and full-time environmental consultant, said the government's current $5,000 a year tax credit for child-care should be increased to reflect the real cost of care.

    "Anyone who has one child knows that doesn't even cover that child's care, let alone additional children," she said.
    These people want companies to pay them for chosing to have a baby and want the government to pay for their childcare.

    Personal responsibility, out the window.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    These people want companies to pay them for chosing to have a baby and want the government to pay for their childcare.

    Personal responsibility, out the window.
    Yeah what's wrong with them, how could they possibly give into their biological instincts at a time like this!
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Yeah what's wrong with them, how could they possibly give into their biological instincts at a time like this!
    Well, I mean it is a choice after all. Why not plan ahead and pay your own way. No, that is way to much to ask.

    Make your employer and the government do the planning for you. That makes much more sense.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    These people want companies to pay them for chosing to have a baby and want the government to pay for their childcare.

    Personal responsibility, out the window.
    I think paid maternity leave should be mandated for employees who've worked for companies for a certain period of time under the condition that on their return they are not eligible for any pay raise the company might have had DURING the time they left. It's reasonable. And makes everybody happy.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think paid maternity leave should be mandated for employees who've worked for companies for a certain period of time under the condition that on their return they are not eligible for any pay raise the company might have had DURING the time they left. It's reasonable. And makes everybody happy.
    That is an excellent idea. I would not mandate it but would support that more than just a blanket "you must pay them."

    I think people are sometimes under the impression that having a baby is an involuntary medical condition like a heart attack.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is an excellent idea. I would not mandate it but would support that more than just a blanket "you must pay them."

    I think people are sometimes under the impression that having a baby is an involuntary medical condition like a heart attack.
    Well it's been my experience that very few companies/employers offer paid maternity/paternity leave without any kind of condition. However I do think that IF companies are going to be obligated to offer maternity/paternity leave that they get something in return when the employees come back to rejoin the work force.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well it's been my experience that very few companies/employers offer paid maternity/paternity leave without any kind of condition. However I do think that IF companies are going to be obligated to offer maternity/paternity leave that they get something in return when the employees come back to rejoin the work force.
    I could seriously support that.
    Work mans compensation only pays 2/3rds of your regular pay if I'm not mistaken.

    Why would an employer be forced to pay full compensation for a voluntary medical condition.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Europeans, on average, have a great maternity leave program.

    I still think we have to adopt some of those. You're fighting with human nature whenever you force someone to chose baby or no baby, or work or no work.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Europeans, on average, have a great maternity leave program.

    I still think we have to adopt some of those. You're fighting with human nature whenever you force someone to chose baby or no baby, or work or no work.
    How is that? I'm asking for people to think about what happens when you have children, before they have the children.

    If you want to have children save enough money for those weeks you will be absent and the problem is solved.
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    Re: Working moms look to Michelle Obama for change

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How is that? I'm asking for people to think about what happens when you have children, before they have the children.

    If you want to have children save enough money for those weeks you will be absent and the problem is solved.
    Human nature is not this whole fictional concept of time, working for money, or planning.
    The body is not rational. It is based on instincts and the more you refuse the instincts the more, in most cases, it will push toward it.
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