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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post





    I wonder what those who defended this bigot will say now. Williamson proves EXACTLY what has been said over and over again. The Catholic Church's less then admirable position during WWII would not allow it to let this guy back in without having him recant on his position. Brothers in Christ be damned he wasn't born a Bishop. Now let's watch the apologists scream about 'cultural imperialism'.
    Ah Church bashing. Liberal idiocy at its best.

    The church was not perfect in WW2 but it did its best with the situation it was put in. As Stalin said "The Pope? Where are his divisions?" The Vatican had to walk a tight-rope.

    This guy is wrong but I don't see why he should be excommunicated for this. Questioninable historical accuracy to my mind is not a mortal sin. But a lot of those European countries have stupid, authoritarian laws on this where you can be jailed. The EUroplot is even trying to export them to Britain.
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post

    This guy is wrong but I don't see why he should be excommunicated for this. Questioninable historical accuracy to my mind is not a mortal sin. But a lot of those European countries have stupid, authoritarian laws on this where you can be jailed. The EUroplot is even trying to export them to Britain.
    Denying the obvious and the Church should accept it in its ranks of authority? Is it a heliocentric universe or a geocentric universe? I think we all know where the church stood on this for a while.

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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Denying the obvious and the Church should accept it in its ranks of authority? Is it a heliocentric universe or a geocentric universe? I think we all know where the church stood on this for a while.
    It is isn't an either-universe I believe.

    He is historically wrong but to my mind it isn't the sort of sin that requires excommunication.
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    How do you account for the fact that Jews had a higher survival rate in countries with large Catholic populations rather than those where the Catholic Church wasn't as influential?
    Like Poland?

    Auschwitz concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The camp commandant, Rudolf Höß, testified at the Nuremberg Trials that up to 3 million people had died at Auschwitz. The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum has revised this figure to 1.1 million,[1][2] about 90 percent of whom were Jews from almost every country in Europe.[3] Most victims were killed in Auschwitz II's gas chambers using Zyklon B; other deaths were caused by systematic starvation, forced labor, lack of disease control, individual executions, and purported "medical experiments".
    Treblinka II was a German extermination camp in occupied Poland during World War II. Around 850,000[1] people - more than 99.5 percent of them Jews, but also other victims (among them 2,000 Romani people) were killed there between July 1942 and October 1943; the camp was closed after a revolt during which a few Germans were killed and a small number of prisoners escaped. The nearby Treblinka I was a forced labour camp and administrative complex in support of the death camp.
    Sobibor was a Nazi German extermination camp set up in the Lublin region of occupied Poland as part of Operation Reinhard; the official German name was SS-Sonderkommando Sobibor. Jews, including Jewish Soviet prisoners of war (POWs), and possibly Gypsies were transported to Sobibor by rail, and suffocated in gas chambers that were fed with the exhaust of a petrol engine. One source states that up to 200,000 people were killed at Sobibor.[1] Thomas Blatt claims that "In the Hagen court proceedings against former Sobibor Nazis, Professor Wolfgang Scheffler, who served as an expert, estimated the total figure of murdered Jews at a minimum of 250,000."[2]
    Majdanek was a German Nazi concentration camp on the outskirts of Lublin, Poland. The camp operated from October 1, 1941 until July 22, 1944, when it was captured nearly intact by the advancing Soviet Red Army. Although conceived as a forced labor camp and not as an extermination camp, over 79,000 people died there (59,000 of them Polish Jews) during the 34 months of its operation.
    And before you ask :

    Demographics of Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Religions

    Roman Catholic 89.8%, Eastern Orthodox 1.3%, Protestant and other 0.6%, unspecified 8.3% (2002 census)

    see Religion in Poland and Catholic Church in Poland
    Or are you going to pretend like the Roman Catholic Church is not influential in a country where 90% of the population is Roman Catholic? Does your revisionism know no end?

    How to you account for the thousands directly shelted by the Vatican in Rome and its environs?
    The thousands? Get a ****ing clue. 6.6 million Jews were killed while the Roman Catholic Church remained quiet. End of story. Oskar Schindler saved 1,200 jews. Does that mean that Germans are no longer responsible for the deaths of 6.6 million Jews? In the same manner the Catholic church doing the bare minimum and remaining SILENT while a genocide was going on is not redeemed because they hid a few Jews under table cloths.

    How do you account for the hundreds of Papal missives to Church representatives throughout Europe ordering them to save as many JEws as possible?

    There is a lot you can't account for once you actually look at the PRIMARY source evidence.
    You've provided nothing but a wild goose hunt that I do not wish to engage on. Now either put up or shut up. All you've done so far is adhere to fallacies like argumentums ad authoritarium. Nothing more nothing less.

    I love the fact that haters like yourself won't even look at the history.

    Please explain to me why newspaper articles in multiple languages PRAISED the work of the Church and Pope in working on behalf of Jews.

    All you have is historical revisionism. When one looks at the documents of the day, it is clear the Church was working tirelessly on behalf of as many Jews as it could.
    I provided sources for my claims. You provided a wild goose hunt. Want to try again? When one looks at the facts today one sees that :

    1) If the Church felt true in it's conviction that it did all it could. Then it wouldn't have to apologize as it did.

    2) If the church was as helpful as it was then there wouldn't be so many ISRAELI written arguments and news report displaying Jewish anger at the Church's willful ignorance of the Holocaust.

    Now cry all you want. I'm done with your revisionism. Go cry to jfuh or something.
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence



    Man liberals lack common sense completely.

    If the church had done much more it would have risked drawing even more hostility from the Nazis. Plenty of priests and Catholics were slaughtered by the Nazis. The Pope has no divisions, he could do little to help them.

    Seriously liberals seem to rely on cliched views of history. Some liberal will drag up the inquisition next.

    In the same manner the Catholic church doing the bare minimum and remaining SILENT while a genocide was going on is not redeemed because they hid a few Jews under table cloths.
    As far as I know the allies didn't even make much noise until late in the war.
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post


    Man liberals lack common sense completely.

    If the church had done much more it would have risked drawing even more hostility from the Nazis. Plenty of priests and Catholics were slaughtered by the Nazis. The Pope has no divisions, he could do little to help them.

    Seriously liberals seem to rely on cliched views of history. Some liberal will drag up the inquisition next.
    More revisionism and rantings of an ad hominem laced delusional conservative ignored.

    As far as I know the allies didn't even make much noise until late in the war.
    Allies of World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    * Flag of Poland Poland: 1 September 1939
    * Australia: (UK) 3 September 1939
    * Flag of France France: 3 September 1939 (capitulated on 25 June, 1940), including:
    o Flag of France French overseas territories
    o Flag of Morocco French Morocco
    o French Indochina
    * New Zealand: 3 September 1939 (UK)
    * United Kingdom: 3 September 1939, including:
    o Flag of India Indian Empire
    o Flag of the United Kingdom Crown Colonies
    + British Burma
    + British Malaya
    * Newfoundland: 4 September 1939
    * Nepal: 4 September 1939
    * Flag of South Africa South Africa: 6 September 1939
    * Canada: (UK) 10 September 1939
    * Czechoslovakia (government-in-exile): 2 October 1939
    After the invasion of Denmark and Norway
    Further information: Operation Weserübung

    * Norway: 9 April 1940 (attacked by Germany on 9 April 1940, signed Armed Forces Agreement with the UK on 28 May 1941)
    * Denmark: 9 April 1940 (officially neutral under German occupation 9 April 1940 - 29 August 1943)

    [edit] After the invasion of The Netherlands and Belgium

    * Belgium: 10 May 1940, including:
    o Belgian Congo
    * Luxembourg: 10 May 1940
    * Netherlands: 10 May 1940, including:
    o Flag of the Netherlands Dutch East Indies
    o Flag of the Netherlands other Dutch colonies
    * Flag of France Free France: 18 June 1940
    * Greece: 28 October 1940
    * Flag of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia/ Yugoslavia: 6 April 1941 (signed partial Tripartite Pact on 25 March, attacked by Germany on 6 April after a coup)
    ....do you even know who the allies were?
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    More revisionism and rantings of an ad hominem laced delusional conservative ignored.
    Your refusal to respond in any reasonable way to me or ludahai is noted.

    Answer me this: How many divisions did the Pope have?


    ....do you even know who the allies were?
    I obviously meant the important allies, Britain, USA and Russia, but I notice you didn't properly respond to the point.

    Why don't you take your cliched views of history and religion bashing to where people take such rubbish seriously like any liberal blog.
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One more interesting piece on the gas chambers issue. The IHR (Institute for Historical Review...or as I like to refer to them, the Institute for Historical Lying) offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed in gas chambers. When a man named Mel Mermelstein offered proof, the IHR refused to pay him. Mr. Mermelstein then sued the IHR in court. After a trial, and reviewing information, the Judge issued this statement:



    Mermelstein was awarded the $50,000 ($90,000, actually) and the IHR was forced to apologize.

    Now, along with the debunking of the anti-science of the Leuchter Report, the Goebells diary, and the Mermelstein verdict, I think we've pretty much destroyed any possibility of conquer looking credible, not only from an evidenciary standpoint, but from the fact that he has provided no evidence...nor has any to provide. But, if more is needed, I can certainly do so.
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Your refusal to respond in any reasonable way to me or ludahai is noted.

    Answer me this: How many divisions did the Pope have?

    How many divisions did the Pope need
    ? I'm sure being the religious leader of 700 million human beings must carry some sort of weight. But I guess his weight only carries when we're talking about all the irrelevant things he did to feed the revisionist minds of people like yourself and Ludahai.

    I obviously meant the important allies, Britain, USA and Russia, but I notice you didn't properly respond to the point.
    The important allies? Like the UK, France and Canada? All of who joined in 1939? Your revisionism shines. It's funny because for somebody who claims to know about history you don't even seem to know who the allies were. You 'obviously' meant nothing. It's clear that your notion of who the allies were is well that of somebody who doesn't know who the allies were and when they joined.

    Why don't you take your cliched views of history and religion bashing to where people take such rubbish seriously like any liberal blog.
    Why don't you take your revisionism to where it is needed? May I suggest stormfront?
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    Re: Report: Holocaust denier will review evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    "No fewer than three thousand Jews found refuge at Castel Gandolfo, the pope's summer residence." "... 477 ROman Jews were sheltered in the Vatican and its enclaves, "while another 4238 found refuge in the numerous monasteries and convents in Rome.

    Rabbi Dalin (p. 83) from at least three different citings.
    Dalin, for real?
    An employee of a highly Conservative Catholic institution? And you are going to call that a source without an agenda, or a salary to nurse

    Why would there not be any mention of these hideouts in any sources on Castel Gandolfo?

    Castel Gandolfo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Castelgandolfo
    Tourist Guide | Castel Gandolfo, Lazio (the Pope's summer residence)
    Castel Gandolfo (Italy) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
    Castel Gandolfo: Definition from Answers.com

    Seems like that would draw people in. Strangely enough, I could not find any information on the Catholic Encyclopedias on Castel Gandolfo.

    If they don't affect you, then you shouldn't worry about them.
    I am not a bad person
    I don't hate Nazis
    I am not directly affected by Nazism
    I will still disagree with their ideologies, and the lies they spew.

    So, any "secret organization" owes an apology?
    Sure, especially the ones that parade around as if the Spanish Inquisition never happened.
    Sure, especially the ones that use the veil of Religion to acquire middle-eastern lands.

    You are talking about the "Nazi Death Camps"? What did you want the POpe to do, so out, put on the SUperman uniform and snatch each and every Jew out of the camps? All of this while he was surrounded by Nazi Germany armies? How pathetic. If you look at even some of the documents released in the TWELVE VOLUMES of WWII-era documents released by the Vatican, you would realize the Church, at the direction of the Pope, worked to save HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JEWS from the SHoah.
    No. I would like the Pope, you know that elected guy who is buddies with God, to act like a man of great faith even in the darkest of times. And by a man of great faith, I mean What Would Jesus Do. Would Jesus have, basically ignored, Nazism? Fascism?
    I know you are going to give me some answer about the Pope not being Jesus, but when Millions (now billions) of people depend on you for guidance, don't act like you don't know that excrement hit the fans; you have an obligation to those who follow you!



    If you believe the Pope was indifferent during this calamity, you are badly informed.
    According to the answer about: "What did you want the POpe to do, so out, put on the SUperman uniform and snatch each and every Jew out of the camps?"
    You recognize the indifferent and lack of action taken by the Pope.
    Maybe you are blind to truth?
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