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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah and my cheek cells, if scraped and put in a petri dish will continue to grow but I don't really equate that to any kind of desire.
    Sure, but they won't survive, and they won't grow into . . . anything. They're not following any developmental path.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure, but they won't survive, and they won't grow into . . . anything. They're not following any developmental path.
    And? If the development is arrested before the fetus reaches the capacity for suffering, and more specifically spatial awareness, then what's the difference between the deaths of those cheek cells and the death of the fetus?

    The cheek cells don't care. The fetus doesn't care. Neither of them can have a care. What is the moral obligation to either one since they are both in the same category of awareness and our ability to feel empathy for either is limited only to imagination of what one or the other might be?

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And? If the development is arrested before the fetus reaches the capacity for suffering, and more specifically spatial awareness, then what's the difference between the deaths of those cheek cells and the death of the fetus?

    The cheek cells don't care. The fetus doesn't care. Neither of them can have a care. What is the moral obligation to either one since they are both in the same category of awareness and our ability to feel empathy for either is limited only to imagination of what one or the other might be?
    OK, but that's a pretty wide net you're casting. A lot of unintended things might well get caught up in it.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, but that's a pretty wide net you're casting. A lot of unintended things might well get caught up in it.
    Dolphins get caught in tuna nets all the time but you don't see fundies bombing fishing boats.

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Is there anyone who does not see this as murder?
    They should be arrested and tried for 1st degree murder.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    It always amazes me how prochoicers respond to various scenarios. I think the thing that gets me the most is that the response isn't generally tied to the actual human that was killed but the circumstances surrounding it.

    Babies birthed into toilets and drowned provokes one response, abortions at 23 weeks provoke an entirely different one, and a born baby at 23 weeks tossed into a bag and suffocated will produce an even different response in many folks.

    Let's say the gal went in and had an abortion at 23 weeks gestational age. A non-botched abortion. Is that better/worse/ or the way I see it THE EXACT SAME THING as dumping the born 23 week old in a bag?

    Can someone explain it to me?
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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    Let's say the gal went in and had an abortion at 23 weeks gestational age. A non-botched abortion. Is that better/worse/ or the way I see it THE EXACT SAME THING as dumping the born 23 week old in a bag?
    Yes, which is why we need to ban abortion, at least at such a late term.

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    They should be arrested and tried for 1st degree murder.
    What if the abortion was performed perfectly? Clearly that wouldn't be 1st degree murder yet the only thing that changes in the two scenarios is the location of the organism in question.

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    What if the abortion was performed perfectly? Clearly that wouldn't be 1st degree murder yet the only thing that changes in the two scenarios is the location of the organism in question.
    So when does a person become a human then, if not after they are born?(or, as you say it, their location) You are blurring the lines here. If it's botched, well you shouldn't have waited so long. you can't kill it, oh I'm sorry, the person.

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    Re: Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

    The only logical answer is the scientific one. Once cells combine to form a human organism the organism is a living developing human that will continue to grow and develop until death be that 23 weeks old or 98 years old.

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