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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post

    So tell me this - What did you think of Bush's stimulus? And if you hate it, then why do you like Obama's stimulus now? I look forward to an answer, that I am sure that, now that you are backed into a corner, you won't be giving.

    What Bush did was not stimulus, it was payback to his base, a treasury hijacking worthy of George Clooney. If you remember, the administration said, give us this much, now, no questions asked. The entire request fit on 3 typed pages.
    The current administration is at least attempting to craft a stimulus package, and they have asked for Republican help. Instead, the Republicans have chosen to reject bipartisan meetings and present their own ideas, which are not available for scrutiny.
    Now, exactly what makes you think I am "backed into a corner"?

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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    What Bush did was not stimulus, it was payback to his base, a treasury hijacking worthy of George Clooney.
    And this differers from The Obama's package because...?

    Oh wait, I know... (D)

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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    What Bush did was not stimulus, it was payback to his base, a treasury hijacking worthy of George Clooney. If you remember, the administration said, give us this much, now, no questions asked. The entire request fit on 3 typed pages.
    The current administration is at least attempting to craft a stimulus package, and they have asked for Republican help. Instead, the Republicans have chosen to reject bipartisan meetings and present their own ideas, which are not available for scrutiny.
    Now, exactly what makes you think I am "backed into a corner"?


    No, they have NOT asked for help. They've put it out there and are trying to bully it through using the same tactics they criticized Bush for. Just because Republicans won't sign off on the BS strewn through this bill doesn't make them partisan. I've written my senator and told him if his name was on the bill, he'd lose my vote!! It's a bad bill that will cost this country in the long run. More so than these bogus threats the POTUS is trying to ram down our throats.

    I don't buy it for a minute and I daresay that a lot of others don't either!


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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by Pitwolfy View Post
    No, they have NOT asked for help.
    Of course they did. They were asked for their help in passing the bill. Vote for it. What more do they need to give?

    They've put it out there and are trying to bully it through using the same tactics they criticized Bush for.
    When Democrats are calling Republicans anti-American for voting against this, then MAYBE you'll have some sort of clue and point.

    Just because Republicans won't sign off on the BS strewn through this bill doesn't make them partisan.
    Of COURSE it does. They're voting against it because of party politics. Making them partisans.

    I've written my senator and told him if his name was on the bill, he'd lose my vote!!
    You know your senator doesn't care about your vote right? And just so you know.

    It's a bad bill that will cost this country in the long run. More so than these bogus threats the POTUS is trying to ram down our throats.

    I don't buy it for a minute and I daresay that a lot of others don't either!
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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    What Bush did was not stimulus, it was payback to his base, a treasury hijacking worthy of George Clooney. If you remember, the administration said, give us this much, now, no questions asked. The entire request fit on 3 typed pages.
    The current administration is at least attempting to craft a stimulus package, and they have asked for Republican help. Instead, the Republicans have chosen to reject bipartisan meetings and present their own ideas, which are not available for scrutiny.
    Now, exactly what makes you think I am "backed into a corner"?
    Huh?

    Totally eliminating federal income taxes for 4 million plus low-income taxpayers is hijacking the treasury? Cutting the tax rate for the 15% tax bracket into two brackets at 10% and 15% was a treasury hijacking? Cutting taxes across the board with the largest rate reductions coming to the folks at the bottom is a treasury hijacking?

    What is this world coming to?

    Meanwhile, Obama's bill includes:

    $2 billion to build a zero-emissions coal plant that the people at MIT says we don't have the technology to build and that the WaPo acknowledges the technology isn't there.

    There was a nearly $250 million payback to the largest Hollywood studios that Republicans wwere able to strip out.

    $88 million to study, study whether we should buy a new ice breaker for the Coast Guard.

    Nearly $500 billion to build DHS a new building despite the feds owning up to $1.3 trillion of property in the DC area. In addition, another $250 million is allocated for new furnishings for that building. And another hundred million for a new DHS security training facility in West Virginia despite their being 4 duplicate facilities already built...it's that DHS doesn't have their own.

    $850 million for Amtrak. 'Nuff said.

    $160 million for Job Corps to create 338 new jobs = $1.5 million per job.

    Yeah, this is all high priority stimulus spending and not hijacking our tax dollars...errr...the tax dollars of generations not even born, yet.

    It's sickening how some people here think,

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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    What Bush did was not stimulus, it was payback to his base, a treasury hijacking worthy of George Clooney. If you remember, the administration said, give us this much, now, no questions asked. The entire request fit on 3 typed pages.
    The current administration is at least attempting to craft a stimulus package, and they have asked for Republican help. Instead, the Republicans have chosen to reject bipartisan meetings and present their own ideas, which are not available for scrutiny.
    Now, exactly what makes you think I am "backed into a corner"?
    I think the poor guy fell into his BS pulpit. Better to be in your corner. I did see the pubs weighing in on th bill...on the "Today Show",and ,"GMA'. I guess if we want to find out the truth we`ll have to tune in to," Rush Limbaugh".

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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When Democrats are calling Republicans anti-American for voting against this, then MAYBE you'll have some sort of clue and point.
    I don't get this.

    This doesn't address what is a valid point regarding the Democrats changing the rules to effectively eliminate minority rights in the legislative process. In fact, it's so bad that Democratic members of Congress wrote to Steny Hoyer complaining about the mad power being exercised by Pelosi.

    An excerpt:
    A group of more than 50 House Democrats has penned a letter to Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) imploring him to “restore this institution” and see that the House returns to a “regular order” process of legislating.
    50 House Democrats...demanding that bipartisanship be restored. not 50 Republicans...but Democrats.

    So the poster does have a legit point that you ignorance precludes you from recognizing.

    And more:
    Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN) -- one of the lead Blue Dogs -- made a startling admission to lefty Liberadio on Sunday, suggesting the White House quietly encouraged him to buck House leadership on the stimulus.

    Cooper was one of 11 Dems to vote no -- joining every GOP House member.

    "Well, I probably shouldn’t tell you this, but I actually got some quiet encouragement from the Obama folks for what I’m doing," said Cooper, one of about 55 House Democrats to sign a letter criticizing Speaker Nancy Pelosi for suspending normal debate and committee rules on the $819 billion package.
    I guess the question is...do you have a point?

    Of COURSE it does. They're voting against it because of party politics. Making them partisans.
    That's right...you see nothing wrong with spending two more billion dollars on a zero emissions coal plant that MIT says we don't have the technology to build; or another half billion dollars on a new DHS building despite the feds having $1.3 trillion of buildings that they own that the Dem Congress won't permit to be sold off; or four hundred million on STD programs; or untold tens of billions more being spent on simple Democratic wish list goodies, like $4 billion to ACORN.

    Yeah, the GOP's resistance to this spending and the cratering public support for it are just partisan politics...not legit arguments against totally wasteful spending.

    You know your senator doesn't care about your vote right? And just so you know.
    No? So how do you explain the absolute total failure of Congress to pass an amnesty bill two years ago while legal and illegal immigrants were taking to the streets demanding such amnesty and despite Bush's clear support for it?

    Opinion? Noted.
    Your ignorant, blind partisan opinions have also been noted.

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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    I don't get this.

    This doesn't address what is a valid point regarding the Democrats changing the rules to effectively eliminate minority rights in the legislative process. In fact, it's so bad that Democratic members of Congress wrote to Steny Hoyer complaining about the mad power being exercised by Pelosi.
    Wow where do I start off with your incoherent posts that like three people in this entire forum ever seem to read. You, your dog and that Treth Rejictor kid. Anyways alright let's see.

    'Eliminating minority rights'

    From your article :

    Since last year, many senior House Democrats — many of them subcommittee chairmen — have grown overly frustrated with how only small and select bands of legislators have been responsible for writing bills, such as the $700 billion Wall Street bailout as well as much of the $819 billion economic stimulus bill.
    Since when is it the minority's right to co-write bills? Last time I heard lawmakers write bills. Try to get them passed. No such thing as a right to include minority party politicians in the process. But what 'minority rights' are you talking about?

    Democratic leaders have acknowledged that the “regular order” process of methodically developing and writing bills in subcommittees and committees has been abandoned recently. But they have defended the handling of such sensitive and important legislation by only an exclusive group of leadership and senior lawmakers as a necessary tactic during exceptional times.

    They have also said that, despite the truncated process, Pelosi has made extraordinary efforts to solicit and include ideas from the caucus — a view many rank-and-file Democrats shared.
    So your article is about fiscal conservative democrats bitching they're not being let in bills presented by their coworkers? Since when is this 'a right'?

    An excerpt:

    50 House Democrats...demanding that bipartisanship be restored. not 50 Republicans...but Democrats.
    50 House democrats aren't demanding that bipartisanship be restored. 50 house democrats are demanding they be included in writing bills. Big difference. Read your own article.

    So the poster does have a legit point that you ignorance precludes you from recognizing.
    The poster made no point. She compared the Republican bully tactics of anti-Americanism yells to saying a bill needs to be passed. Care to try again?

    And more:

    I guess the question is...do you have a point?
    More incoherence from a guy who's name makes as much sense as a girls bathroom sign at an Indian restaurant. Anyways do tell what does Obama's administration encouraging dissent among democrats have to do with the posters claim that the Democrats are engaging in the same tactics as Bush? Isn't that the OPPOSITE of what Bush and Co did during their administration? Discourage dissent? But please I'll let you continue this incoherent post. I'll expect another classical non-sequitur from you somewhere before the end of your post.

    That's right...you see nothing wrong with spending two more billion dollars on a zero emissions coal plant that MIT says we don't have the technology to build;
    Appeal to authority? Source?

    or another half billion dollars on a new DHS building despite the feds having $1.3 trillion of buildings that they own that the Dem Congress won't permit to be sold off;
    Source?

    or four hundred million on STD programs;
    I was already against this?

    or untold tens of billions more being spent on simple Democratic wish list goodies, like $4 billion to ACORN.
    Source?

    Yeah, the GOP's resistance to this spending and the cratering public support for it are just partisan politics...not legit arguments against totally wasteful spending.
    Appeal to popularity? Noted. Ignore.

    No? So how do you explain the absolute total failure of Congress to pass an amnesty bill two years ago while legal and illegal immigrants were taking to the streets demanding such amnesty and despite Bush's clear support for it?

    Your ignorant, blind partisan opinions have also been noted.
    How? Easy. Republicans realized that they'd rather have the votes of whites in the Southern/Midwest U.S. then those of Mexicans. How else do you explain their massive loses this year among Hispanic populations?
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    Re: Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of COURSE it does. They're voting against it because of party politics. Making them partisans.
    In the way its termed here, "party politics" and "partisans" seem to imply they're voting against it ONLY becuase they're republican, and the republican party in congress is joining together to vote against this.

    However, whether or not that is the case for all of them is up for debate. They could very easily feel that the things inside this bill are not going to stimulate the economy and would instead HURT this country, and vote against it based on their principles.

    Now, if you're meaning "partisan" and "party politics" in that way (IE voting against something because it goes against their parties views) then the Democrast are ALSO being partisans and playing party politics by all voting for it because its filled with Democrat principles and refusing to give up any of those principles from the bill.

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