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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Yes, but you don't debate. You post a link, rhyme off some baseless rhetoric and then blatently dodge any argument against you. It's like arguing politics with a guy in a bar.
    Reminds me of this quote...

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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Yes, but you don't debate. You post a link, rhyme off some baseless rhetoric and then blatently dodge any argument against you. It's like arguing politics with a guy in a bar.



    Wow and look at you. YOu are so much different.


    I do what everyone does here.


    When something interesting comes along, I'll go into greater detail in discussion. But whatever I post regarding Obama is met with crap like your post and other avoidance technuiques. Fix your own house before you complain about my lawn.


    Now Stop doing what many of your ilk do and discuss the topic not the Greatness that is the Good Reverend.
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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    You know looking at all of you bitching like usual. Do you really think you are part of any solution or are you just being well, bitches. (no offense intended). Seriously guys. Try to make it an interesting conversation instead of "who can pound the Reverend first" game....


    I can discuss in short one liners, or I can go into detail, depends on what I get. You take the time to write an opinion, I will take the time to respond. But to hunt down each of my threads, Attack me and thank each other while NOT discussing the topic or anything Obama in some sort of left wing I love Obama circle jerk, is not better, than anything you all accuse me of.

    Come now, work with me, lets rise above. We can make interesting conversations out of the most trivial of threads if we wanted to.



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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Yall play nice with the Rev, or I'll e-kick your asses.
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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You know looking at all of you bitching like usual. Do you really think you are part of any solution or are you just being well, bitches. (no offense intended). Seriously guys. Try to make it an interesting conversation instead of "who can pound the Reverend first" game....


    I can discuss in short one liners, or I can go into detail, depends on what I get. You take the time to write an opinion, I will take the time to respond. But to hunt down each of my threads, Attack me and thank each other while NOT discussing the topic or anything Obama in some sort of left wing I love Obama circle jerk, is not better, than anything you all accuse me of.

    Come now, work with me, lets rise above. We can make interesting conversations out of the most trivial of threads if we wanted to.



    Ball is in your court. I shall give what I get.


    Thank you.
    Please don't take this personal, I'm just trying to maintain a friendly dialogue. Your OP linked to a Fox News article that said Leon Panetta had been paid money for speeches from some of the same financial institutions that later received bail-out money. There was no insinuation in the article, and it was surprisingly neutral for Fox. But then you remarked:

    "lobbyests, tax cheats, and washington insiders. The Mantra of change is dead. In less than a month Obama has shown he is no different than any other politician and his whole campaign on "change" was a farce. Instead we have seen incompetence, businessas usual, and naivitey......."

    The story you cited provided no support for your statement. Panetta is not a lobbyist, received no money from anyone who would influence the CIA, and was not paid to advocate for anyone. When you have the experience of a Leon Panetta, people pay big money to hear you make a speech. It's one of the more benign ways that former government leaders can make money.

    I think the disagreement started when you made your statement without reason, without any example or justification. It's as if you cited a story about the SuperBowl, and used it as a springboard to rant about government incompetence. It made no sense. We like sense.

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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Please don't take this personal, I'm just trying to maintain a friendly dialogue. Your OP linked to a Fox News article that said Leon Panetta had been paid money for speeches from some of the same financial institutions that later received bail-out money. There was no insinuation in the article, and it was surprisingly neutral for Fox. But then you remarked:

    "lobbyests, tax cheats, and washington insiders. The Mantra of change is dead. In less than a month Obama has shown he is no different than any other politician and his whole campaign on "change" was a farce. Instead we have seen incompetence, businessas usual, and naivitey......."

    The story you cited provided no support for your statement. Panetta is not a lobbyist, received no money from anyone who would influence the CIA, and was not paid to advocate for anyone. When you have the experience of a Leon Panetta, people pay big money to hear you make a speech. It's one of the more benign ways that former government leaders can make money.

    I think the disagreement started when you made your statement without reason, without any example or justification. It's as if you cited a story about the SuperBowl, and used it as a springboard to rant about government incompetence. It made no sense. We like sense.



    If you view this story in a vaccume you are absolutley right. But please consider these very turbulant two weeks for Mr. Obama.

    He signed an EO, then immediatly applied a waiver for a lobbyist. He has what 4 now nominees that have tax problems. This Panetta fellow is not just woeflly unqualified, but a deep washington insider.

    He campaigned on change from Washington Business as usual. However, in my opinion, what he has shown is naivety, poor judgment, and politics as usual.

    Can you perhaps tell me in your own words what "change" has Obama brought to Washington thus far, and please do not say "well its a change from Bush". This was never the "change" he was talkin about.

    He said no lobbyists, we have lobbysists. He said no washington insiders (or he said he would look to people like warren buffet), we got washington insiders. He talked ethics, we got tax cheats in line for jobs.

    I really thought he would bring in this fresh crew of outsiders and what not. I may have disagreed with ALL of whoever he would have picked, but I would have respected him actually doing things differently. Sadly he has not and I am more concerned believe it or not with the next republican president continuing the use of the same piglets at the washington trough.
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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    We like sense.
    No, people here rarely do. Look at all the arguments made against the innate and inalienable rights of the individual. Those don't make sense. If Chewbacca lived on Endor, you must acquit.

    *cough*

    Anyway, the initial comment about Obama is correct. This CIA chick is maybe of questionable origin. It doesn't appear at this point that she is a lobbiest, but she seems to make the majority of her money off of speaking fees. We'll see what comes of that. 700,000....wow! Does the CIA go around speaking? I guess maybe in some sense it does. But if you look at the rest of what Obama has done, it's politics as usual. Political appointments and nothing more. And why is it that his cabinet seems to be coming from the Senate? How many seats were opened up from the Senate because of Obama? Like the State Department doesn't have someone more qualified than Hillary to be Secretary of State? Political appointment, scandal, tax cheats; we're not off to a good start. I think Obama will beat Reagan's indictment record in the end.
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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This CIA chick is maybe of questionable origin. It doesn't appear at this point that she is a lobbiest, but she seems to make the majority of her money off of speaking fees. We'll see what comes of that. .


    CIA nominee Leon Panetta

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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post

    CIA nominee Leon Panetta
    Damn, had a sex change. That's hope and change for you!
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    Re: CIA Nominee Panetta Received $700,000 in Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Damn, had a sex change. That's hope and change for you!
    Look at that big nose, you don't he's.....
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