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On a tough day, Obama escapes for a while

Zyphlin said:
1. I think the TOPIC is legitimate. I think the EXAMPLE given is extremely trivial and worthless.
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But this bolsters my point. if something as trivial and worthless can garner this much attention, Does it not prove how important image is?

Like I stated, his bailing is not the issue, It was the manner in which it was introduced, and the image issue it presents.

The fact that such a trivial matter is getting play by posters on all sides confirms its legitimacy that image is an important matter for a President.


I sir, have out non-partisaned you on this. :mrgreen:




2. You may have done the same thing (I don't necessarily believe you), but I wasn't addressing you...I was addressing American, who ISN'T doing the same thing.
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Oh ok.....
 
Right, my issue is some people in this thread seem to not be consistant. First they say that IMAGE is what is important. Than an example of a President they support is doing something similar, or arguably worse, than this current example and suddenly they flip flop, not talking about IMAGE but talking about how whether or not it actually affected anything is important.

So why is it, for example, with Obama IMAGE is important but with Bush it was the affect it had on things?

If you think Obama had bad judgement for telling 7 year old kids asking why he's here that "He felt like getting out of the white house" do you think its also bad judgement for Bush to remain talking to a grade school class for 30 minutes while 9/11 was happening. Both opened up chances for people to rip them on their IMAGE.

If you think that Bush sitting at the grade school for 30 minutes while 9/11 was happening didn't have any actual affect on things and thus it was okay, do you think Obama spending a few hours at the grade school have any actual affect on picking a replacement for Rohm?

Its a bogus double standard presented on many in this thread, showing that while they may care about IMAGE or they may care about practicality, they care most about simply protecting "thier guys".

In the grand scope of things, I think Bush staying with the grade schoolers could be arguably worse than this thing with Obama...and even that I have stated numerous times on this forum was a fine and understandable thing to do and a worthless, crappy, low thing to get on Bush about. I also think going after Obama for taking a few hours away and jokingly telling some 7 year old kids that he wanted to get out o the White House for a bit is also rather worthless and crappy. I don't think EITHER hurt their image to a point that I find was legitimate enough that I'd had demanded they done it differently, and I don't think EITHER showed bad judgement.
 
Zyphlin said:
So why is it, for example, with Obama IMAGE is important but with Bush it was the affect it had on things?

If you think Obama had bad judgement for telling 7 year old kids asking why he's here that "He felt like getting out of the white house" do you think its also bad judgement for Bush to remain talking to a grade school class for 30 minutes while 9/11 was happening. Both opened up chances for people to rip them on their IMAGE.
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Oh it was horrible for his image. However there are procedures in place when something like this happens. There was not much he could do while they put a planned operation in place to protect POTUS...

That said, you can see how that image affected him. People are still talking about it today.....

The difference is, there was little choice for him while wheels had to be put in motion.



And Zyph, 30 mins? Come now, I thought it was like 7 and he really wasn't talking to them anymore.

If you think that Bush sitting at the grade school for 30 minutes while 9/11 was happening didn't have any actual affect on things and thus it was okay, do you think Obama spending a few hours at the grade school have any actual affect on picking a replacement for Rohm?
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See above.


Its a bogus double standard presented on many in this thread, showing that while they may care about IMAGE or they may care about practicality, they care most about simply protecting "thier guys".

In the grand scope of things, I think Bush staying with the grade schoolers could be arguably worse than this thing with Obama...and even that I have stated numerous times on this forum was a fine and understandable thing to do and a worthless, crappy, low thing to get on Bush about. I also think going after Obama for taking a few hours away and jokingly telling some 7 year old kids that he wanted to get out o the White House for a bit is also rather worthless and crappy. I don't think EITHER hurt their image to a point that I find was legitimate enough that I'd had demanded they done it differently, and I don't think EITHER showed bad judgement.
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Have you notice I am not really on Obama for this other than to say it was a poor choice. I won't spend the next 4 years (or God forbid) the next 8 talking about it. It was a mistake, and I am sure his handlers are on it.

It does however make for an interesting political discussion.
 
First, you also out-strawmaned yourself by this obvious strawman you're created.

I've never said image wasn't important. I said THIS action by Obama doesn't hurt his image by the majority of Americans and the only people thinking he's done anything wrong in doing this are hyper partisans that simply do nothing but look for a reason to bitch, whine, and complain about him.

But I never said image wasn't important. Just that your ****ty example was.

Second, sorry, I know this must really get you hot and angry Reverend, but I don't view this forum as a contest. Its not some big dick comparison contest to me. I'm not here to duke it out digitally with posters to see whose junk is bigger. Its not some big game where people are keeping score, despite your juvenile attitude about it so much. I'm not trying to "out non-partisan" anyone, actually I'm not trying to be non-partisan nor bipartisan. I've admitted, i'm partisan to the right. My views are to the right. I am a conservative, my world view is conservative. What I urge people to be, and more important what I try to be about myself, is to be consistant, objective, and intellectually honest. That I can look at two situations that are exactly the same save for one has a (D) and one has an (R) and I'd view it the same way not because I'm trying to be "non-partisan", but I actually give a damn about my principles and don't just use them as an excuse to not admit to being HYPERpartisan.

You're not "out non-partisaning" anyone because no one is playing any stupid ass game with you.
 
winston53660 said:
He certainly went on vacation a lot.
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Now see there is a difference. And when Obama goes on planned vacations to the chicago white house. I won't have a problem with it.


Though I may start a thread on how you all got after bush for it and how you all ignore Obama doing it. But we will save this for later. :mrgreen:
 
Goobieman said:
Someone can't handle the truth.
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You want to know the truth?

You're entire purpose here is to put people and their arguments down, never offering anything of your own. You're a troll.

Why? Because you are unable to put forward any of your own for fear of failure. Instead you hide behind obscure criticism and nonsense. You're presence here is worthless as is your contribution.
 
Zyphlin said:
First, you also out-strawmaned yourself by this obvious strawman you're created.

I've never said image wasn't important. I said THIS action by Obama doesn't hurt his image by the majority of Americans and the only people thinking he's done anything wrong in doing this are hyper partisans that simply do nothing but look for a reason to bitch, whine, and complain about him.

But I never said image wasn't important. Just that your ****ty example was.

Second, sorry, I know this must really get you hot and angry Reverend, but I don't view this forum as a contest. Its not some big dick comparison contest to me. I'm not here to duke it out digitally with posters to see whose junk is bigger. Its not some big game where people are keeping score, despite your juvenile attitude about it so much. I'm not trying to "out non-partisan" anyone, actually I'm not trying to be non-partisan nor bipartisan. I've admitted, i'm partisan to the right. My views are to the right. I am a conservative, my world view is conservative. What I urge people to be, and more important what I try to be about myself, is to be consistant, objective, and intellectually honest. That I can look at two situations that are exactly the same save for one has a (D) and one has an (R) and I'd view it the same way not because I'm trying to be "non-partisan", but I actually give a damn about my principles and don't just use them as an excuse to not admit to being HYPERpartisan.

You're not "out non-partisaning" anyone because no one is playing any stupid ass game with you.
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I will let you reconsider this post. I was teasing you on "out non-partisaning" you. hence the :mrgreen:



I am not angry, and right up until now I thought we were having a good discussion.


My bad. :confused:




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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Now see there is a difference. And when Obama goes on planned vacations to the chicago white house. I won't have a problem with it.
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I know he had the "red button" with him in Crawford as well as access to what ever else he needs to conduct government business. With Bush's vacation image you should be screaming at the top of your lungs since image is everything to you...at least in this thread;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
13th? do not most all schools end at the 12th? then off to college? :roll:
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That went so far over your head it's not even a joke anymore. Disturbing how some people can be as thick as lard.

But anyway..... even a 6th grader can understand how image is important for the potus.... sorry you are struggling.
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Even a 6th grade can understand how image is important to the potus? I'm guessing that's why they didn't have follow up questions like 'So does this mean you can't handle being president?' or 'Does that mean you're overwhelmed?'. I guess most of those kids were just surprised the President showed up at their school. Seriously you're going at Chinese chop sticks here.

But here let's look at your news report :

The White House said the Obamas' trip had been planned, just not publicly announced.
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With little notice, the president and first lady Michelle Obama bolted the gated compound of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in their tank of a limousine on Tuesday.
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Since when have you know the president of the U.S. to do ANYTHING with little notice? Do you think the secret service doesn't need time to plan routes, strategies in case of an attack etc?
 
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winston53660 said:
I know he had the "red button" with him in Crawford as well as access to what ever else he needs to conduct government business. With Bush's vacation image you should be screaming at the top of your lungs since image is everything to you...at least in this thread;)
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Didn't someone link to how Bush was no different than other presidents?


But yes. The media and the left used it to attack his image. You have a good example of how image can be manipulated based on ones choices.
 
Goobieman said:
I'm sorry -- is that an admission that you were, indeed, wrong?
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Sorry Goobieman, had I known my post would be directed at you I would have assumed the reader's ignorance and explained the whole process so as to not let them confuse my obvious intent.

This has nothing to do with the topic, troll elsewhere.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Are you going to bring bush up in every thread?
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No.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yeah he said it was hard work, but did he cut and run because the going got tough?
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2 hours at a school down the street isn't cutting and running. :roll:

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
there is the difference. If Bush said, yes this is hard work and I need to get away for a while, especially in the first 2 weeks of his presidency I would be all over it.
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WASHINGTON, D.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 25, 2001

President George W. Bush today visited Merritt Elementary School in Washington, D.C. citing it as an example of how successful education reform can increase student achievement.

President Bush Visits Washington, D.C. School to Showcase Student Success; Principal Says Lightspan Achieve Now is Key to Boosting Student Scores. (25-JAN-01) Business Wire
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