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Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

I agree.**** the EU,**** china, **** India. We can not be just a nation of concumers and service industries. It is because of the anti-American scum in office tossing the salad of globalist companies that encouraged these companies to leave and made it extremely hard for anyone to set up shop here in the US.


Don't mind Kandahar, he is an globalist/anti-American who also thinks we should allow companies to hire illegal. Basically any economist who agrees with him is a good economist(globalist/anti-American) and any economist who doesn't is lousy.

YOU ROCK... McJobs aren`t getting it done are they? Thanks for your fervent agreement.:2wave:
 
You're an idiot. Foreign trade policy is determined nationally, not city-by-city.

I`m and idiot ? You are a city full of Globalist idiots? I was talking about the bounty,"glabalism", has brought to your liberal fugging rust belt city ,moron. Go back to Kanahar... and take your "junk science of economics" manual with you. Don`t come back till you figure out its all bullchit. Globalism is global socialism ,and I`m not buying
 
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The US economy is roughly dependent upon trade for 11% of that $13 trillion.

Want to start a trade war? Want to know just how many jobs are going to lost from mere indirect fallout?

A trade war was one of the reasons why the stock market crash of the '29 turned into a massive depression.

I have to hazard a guess here,"you don`t have a clue,you are clueless,about the economic crash"? I thought so.;)
 
Buying american products hurts America?

Other countries buy off of us, too. We stop buying their stuff, they stop buying ours, plus you lose the competitive spirit. This is what happened to American cars. They weren't competitive, and their unions were more interested in lining their pockets, and not as concerned about the future of their bread and butter, the company they were working for. The unions should have said, "we need to be able to compete with Honda".
 
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YOU ROCK... McJobs aren`t getting it done are they? Thanks for your fervent agreement.:2wave:

If people are pissed off that all they can find are McJobs, then maybe they should get a McEducation or some McSkills.

I'm sick of constantly hearing high school drop outs or kids with associates degrees in "management" or "computer technology" from their local community college complain about how all the good jobs have been shipped overseas.
 
Yeah, but the ban wasnt illegal, it was because of worries about mad cow and mouth diseases of those particular animals. There is also several countries in Asia that have banned north American beef. As long as it complies with EU safety regulations on meat then I do not care where it comes from, and I personally think very highly of American beef, and less so of European beef in general, except perhaps Spanish beef.

Personally I think its time to lift the ban, there arent really any large outbreaks of diseases in the US anymore as far as I know.

The EU still bans it? That is pure protectionist. Asian countries have long since lifted their respective bans.
 
The EU still bans it? That is pure protectionist. Asian countries have long since lifted their respective bans.

Then you do not remember the huge protests and demonstrations in south Korea just recently, over the government plans to lift the ban.. I have no idea why, I don't really follow the beef issue, but for Europe, its completely unnecessary to have a ban on US meat, after all we have rigid procedures for checking incoming batches of meat, that should be enough to guarantee safety, especially with the disease rate of US meat being so low..
 
That is moronic. Any economist worth his salt will tell you that trade barriers harm ALL nations involved. That includes left-wing economists, right-wing economists, and just about everyone in between.

Depends what you mean by "harm." Economic warfare can be waged by limiting the access to a specific resource where you prior normally had no barriers. Furthermore, trade barriers that restrict the trade of military secrets could come back and hurt us. In terms of pure civilian uses, you're correct, but when we add in geopolitical power struggles, you're not.
 
Requiring that American made steel be used for federally tax payer infrastructure projects is not a tariff increase nor does it increase tariffs on products nor does it ban private companies that are doing work for private companies from not using foreign made steel.

Except that it bars huge amounts of contractors from buying foreign goods for massive projects. How is that not trade restrictions? If we ban companies from buying from foreign producers, they have every right under the WTO to do that to us in other industries.

Trade wars are bad.
 
I have to hazard a guess here,"you don`t have a clue,you are clueless,about the economic crash"? I thought so.;)

That's the best you got? The US economy back then was estimated to be around 20% reliant on free foreign trade. Cutting that effectively to zero has obvious impacts and that's not even talking about the indirect spending from foreign related industries.
 
Buy American Clause = Worst Idea Ever.

A trade war will set off an international cascade of economic collapse. The benefits of free-market economics are not constrained by arbitrary lines in the sand. Mutually beneficial trade agreements between consenting parties is always good. If a foreign business provides a good or service at a better price than their American counter-part it is the moral right of the American consumer to dispense with their money as they see fit. This encourages competition and the consumer derives a net benefit from the lowered cost of business.
 
Depends what you mean by "harm." Economic warfare can be waged by limiting the access to a specific resource where you prior normally had no barriers. Furthermore, trade barriers that restrict the trade of military secrets could come back and hurt us. In terms of pure civilian uses, you're correct, but when we add in geopolitical power struggles, you're not.

I have no problem with exempting weapons or military technology from this. But in general, trade barriers of non-dangerous products harms all nations involved.
 
Then you do not remember the huge protests and demonstrations in south Korea just recently, over the government plans to lift the ban.. I have no idea why, I don't really follow the beef issue, but for Europe, its completely unnecessary to have a ban on US meat, after all we have rigid procedures for checking incoming batches of meat, that should be enough to guarantee safety, especially with the disease rate of US meat being so low..

I do remember them, but that was several months ago. The government lifted the bans, just as governments in Japan and Taiwan had.
 
Several months ago is not "long since"..

We have different definition then. In the world today, a lot happens in several months. It's been over seven months now.

And in the other countries I referenced, Japan lifted the ban in July 2006 and Taiwan in April 2005.
 
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Buy American Clause = Worst Idea Ever.

A trade war will set off an international cascade of economic collapse. The benefits of free-market economics are not constrained by arbitrary lines in the sand. Mutually beneficial trade agreements between consenting parties is always good. If a foreign business provides a good or service at a better price than their American counter-part it is the moral right of the American consumer to dispense with their money as they see fit. This encourages competition and the consumer derives a net benefit from the lowered cost of business.

Wow, for once we completely agree.
 
We have different definition then. In the world today, a lot happens in several months. It's been over seven months now.

And in the other countries I referenced, Japan lifted the ban in July 2006 and Taiwan in April 2005.

When exactly did the ban start? Thats the only way to measure time in that particular "conflict", ban start, todays date and ban end.
 
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