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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    No, because your natural bias caters to what is beneficial to the EU. People do not trade unless it is mutually beneficial in doing so
    My natural bias caters always what the best solution is, not the EU, not my home country, not some other country, not the US.. Just the best solutions, even if that means its Russian, North Korean, or Ethiopian solutions
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Do you support your side dropping their illegal ban on American and Canadian beef?
    Yeah, but the ban wasnt illegal, it was because of worries about mad cow and mouth diseases of those particular animals. There is also several countries in Asia that have banned north American beef. As long as it complies with EU safety regulations on meat then I do not care where it comes from, and I personally think very highly of American beef, and less so of European beef in general, except perhaps Spanish beef.

    Personally I think its time to lift the ban, there arent really any large outbreaks of diseases in the US anymore as far as I know.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yeah, but the ban wasnt illegal, it was because of worries about mad cow and mouth diseases of those particular animals. There is also several countries in Asia that have banned north American beef. As long as it complies with EU safety regulations on meat then I do not care where it comes from, and I personally think very highly of American beef, and less so of European beef in general, except perhaps Spanish beef.

    Personally I think its time to lift the ban, there arent really any large outbreaks of diseases in the US anymore as far as I know.
    According to the WTO, which ruled it illegal, it's illegal. The EU simply ignored the WTO and has filed an appeal. It is protectionism and overreaction; nothing more. If you're going to blame the US for protective measures that could harm global economy; you have to levy that charge at all even the EU when it acts improperly.

    And there were never large outbreaks of mad cow in the US beef market.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    According to the WTO, which ruled it illegal, it's illegal. The EU simply ignored the WTO and has filed an appeal. It is protectionism and overreaction; nothing more. If you're going to blame the US for protective measures that could harm global economy; you have to levy that charge at all even the EU when it acts improperly.

    And there were never large outbreaks of mad cow in the US beef market.
    Well, I am actually against the ban, for your information. I just want safe food.

    "buy American" doesnt in itself hurt the global economy, but its the first step of a trade war that we do not need.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, I am actually against the ban, for your information. I just want safe food.

    "buy American" doesnt in itself hurt the global economy, but its the first step of a trade war that we do not need.
    It was never a question of safety. The WTO report proved that. It was/is about protectionism. It's no different than "buy America". But you seem much more harsher on the American side than you are the European side. In fact, the ban on American beef has caused many tariffs against European goods. So while you can say "I'm against the ban" you add that you want safe food; which isn't the issue at hand and never was the issue when it came to American and Canadian beef. Plus the ban against American beef had started a bit of a trade war with us. You should be equally spoken out against and condemning of the EU American beef ban as you are the "buy American". If you want to be fair that is.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It was never a question of safety. The WTO report proved that. It was/is about protectionism. It's no different than "buy America". But you seem much more harsher on the American side than you are the European side. In fact, the ban on American beef has caused many tariffs against European goods. So while you can say "I'm against the ban" you add that you want safe food; which isn't the issue at hand and never was the issue when it came to American and Canadian beef. Plus the ban against American beef had started a bit of a trade war with us. You should be equally spoken out against and condemning of the EU American beef ban as you are the "buy American". If you want to be fair that is.
    I dont really know the case that well, but I assumed it was because of safety reasons, since the much more public south korean ban on US meat got a lot of attention, and this being related to food safety I believe. But if its nothing to do with food safety than its equally bad, actually worse in some ways than the "buy American" thing.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    The EU was sued by the US in the WTO, the WTO found that there was no health basis for the ban and that the claims of the EU against American/Canadian beef were unfounded and lacked any evidence. Thus the WTO ruled the ban illegal. The EU did not revert its ban (the US reverted its steel tariff when the EU sued the US in the WTO over it) and has filed appeal.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The EU was sued by the US in the WTO, the WTO found that there was no health basis for the ban and that the claims of the EU against American/Canadian beef were unfounded and lacked any evidence. Thus the WTO ruled the ban illegal. The EU did not revert its ban (the US reverted its steel tariff when the EU sued the US in the WTO over it) and has filed appeal.
    Then it is truly bad. And I would think personally there is no health issues with it, and have no issues with eating American beef, which I believe is of very good general quality and would be happy to be able to buy.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I don't remember saying anything about the WTO and outsourcing.
    You made the claim of trade barriers and how it would be horrible. WTO and outsourcing took down a lot of trade barriers.


    The only thing the Buy American first act does is make sure that only American made steel is used for federal tax payer funded infrastructure projects. This does not ban private companies who are doing business for private companies from buying EU products.

    American exporters in last-ditch attempt to stop Obama raising the trade barriers - Times Online
    A coalition of leading American exporters, including Boeing, Caterpillar and General Electric, is trying to stop a “Buy America” clause being included in President Obama’s $825 billion stimulus package.

    The American Steel First Act would ensure that only US-made steel was used in $64 billion of federally funded infrastructure projects.
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    Re: Obama wants to avoid 'trade war'

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Buying american products hurts America?
    The US economy is roughly dependent upon trade for 11% of that $13 trillion.

    Want to start a trade war? Want to know just how many jobs are going to lost from mere indirect fallout?

    A trade war was one of the reasons why the stock market crash of the '29 turned into a massive depression.
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