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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Since the war in Afghanistan cost a tiny fraciton of the total, the Iraq adventure has sucked up at least 1 trillion of that 1.7 trillion. You have your answer, whether you like it or not.

    If that's "the" answer, then you should have no trouble putting up a credible source that supports that answer. I'll wait patiently.

    Rememeber that the $1.7T CBO figure he cited is for the ENTIRE war on terror -- "operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and other activities" -- over 16 years.

    Thus, I ask again:
    What war has cost $1T?

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

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    And yet you support further tax breaks for billionaires.




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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Your attack on Democrats implied that only Democrats have a spending problem. So you attacked Democrats, and I merely pointed out that it applies to Republicans as well.

    Okay. I'll grow up now.



    It does?

    I thought bush spent way too much.
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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Since the war in Afghanistan cost a tiny fraciton of the total, the Iraq adventure has sucked up at least 1 trillion of that 1.7 trillion. You have your answer, whether you like it or not.
    Which still is irrelevant to whether or not this stimulus bill is a wasteful abomination of spending that doesn't facilitate the emergency economic stimulation that its meant to and being sold as.

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which still is irrelevant to whether or not this stimulus bill is a wasteful abomination of spending that doesn't facilitate the emergency economic stimulation that its meant to and being sold as.
    This is true. My point was in regards to those who view social spending as atrocious, and military spending holier than holy. Of course, many of those who hold this belief are undoubtedly military/ex military.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    posting by phone so I can't watch vids. If I remember when I get home I'll look.



    That line of thinking is borderline unconstitutional...
    How so? Because you say so? I don't think we've debated before but I don't let people get away with such assertions without something to back it up. Can you explain how you arrived at this conclusion?

    Arbitrary at best. We have lost more American lives from terror attacks since Saddam was dethroned...
    we have? What "terror attacks" have we lost Americans to? Are you blurring the difference between combat fatalities from insurgents and terrorism such as the Cole bombing and barracks bombing?



    We freaking lied.
    so your assertion is that the ones calling the shots KNEW the intel on nuclear weapons development was wrong or bad, and that they had no other valid reasons for going into Iraq despite the truth or falsehood of nukes? Is that what you are saying?

    The reasons for invasion were imaginary.
    I know of MANY reasons for invasion? Which one are you referring to? Do you honestly believe it ALL hinged arounds nukes?

    Would the American people have supported the invasion if they knew the Colon Powell speech was a fraud?

    Remember this?
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    Build up a national defense. In case you have forgotten, our borders are still unsecured.
    Yes, continue down the path history has REPEATEDLY proven futile. Why do you choose to ignore that? Its counterintuitive but inaction in cases such as this is far more dangerous than being proactive. (However, its granted that one's level of proactiveness to ensure safety and livlihood is debateable).
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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    If that's "the" answer, then you should have no trouble putting up a credible source that supports that answer. I'll wait patiently.

    Rememeber that the $1.7T CBO figure he cited is for the ENTIRE war on terror -- "operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and other activities" -- over 16 years.

    Thus, I ask again:
    What war has cost $1T?
    What would you like me to provide, a link to the total cost of the Iraq war up until now? Again, you have to also factor in the interest payments on the treasuries issued to fund the endeavor.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What would you like me to provide, a link to the total cost of the Iraq war up until now?
    You're the one that's arguing that the war in Iraq has cost $1T.
    A link to a credible source that supports that claim would do quite well.

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're the one that's arguing that the war in Iraq has cost $1T.
    A link to a credible source that supports that claim would do quite well.
    No, read my statement: click

    Crowding out $1 trillion plus from private investment is appalling. A continuation of such policies will most definitely have an effect on productivity.
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    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    No, read my statement
    I read your statement.
    I then asked:
    What war has cost $1T?

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