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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Your attack on Democrats implied that only Democrats have a spending problem.
    No, that is just you. Sorry?
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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Once can argue the Iraq war contributed to the sub prime mortgage crisis. I'd rather give welfare mom's money than bomb/build bridges in another country.
    That would be a false argument; spending for social welfare never went down which is why we had a deficit. Spending for social welfare programs is not only the largest part of the Federal Budget, but also the one that increases the most.

    The subprime mortgage crises can be placed squarely in the laps of a Democrat Presidency and Democrat oversight which insisted there was nothing wrong and even attempted to suggest that Republican calls to increase regulation bordered on racism.

    If you like, I can bring up the videos as proof.

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Your charge would be alarming if it were true. But I don't think you care much about the truth when it comes to attacking Democrats. the president is making a dedicated effort to work with Republicans, as for me I think the attempt is hopeless. Republicans have made it clear if they can't govern the country they will insure that no one does.

    Plenty of information floating around highlighting/listing the numerous examples of pork spending...Bills awash in it. Its unavoidable.
    Spending whose overt purpose can only be categorized as political pay offs and not to stimulate the economy.


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    Stimulus or Pork? What's In the $819 Billion Measure - Economy * US * News * Story - CNBC.com

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Once can argue the Iraq war contributed to the sub prime mortgage crisis. I'd rather give welfare mom's money than bomb/build bridges in another country.
    You could also argue that the moon is made of green cheese.
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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    No, that is just you. Sorry?
    Oh it is? Okay!

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That would be a false argument; spending for social welfare never went down which is why we had a deficit. Spending for social welfare programs is not only the largest part of the Federal Budget, but also the one that increases the most.
    Im am not referring to government deficit and stock of debt, but the production possibilities frontier. The Iraq war was not a dire need. Pumping that type of money into our country would have improved our actual security, and saved thousands upon thousands of lives, along with providing a rather nice multiplier effect.

    The subprime mortgage crises can be placed squarely in the laps of a Democrat Presidency and Democrat oversight which insisted there was nothing wrong and even attempted to suggest that Republican calls to increase regulation bordered on racism.
    The crisis is not identifiable in one package, it was the result of years of poor policy and government interference.

    If you like, I can bring up the videos as proof.
    Recapitalization via private sources was extinguished during 2003, when the Fed, in coordination with that current administration, sent bubble inducing signals to the consumer to purchase real estate and ****ty cars, etc.... Had corporations been allowed to fail during that time, the weakness displayed this past fall would have occurred much more swiftly, and this entire "too big to fail" argument would never have surfaced. Hopefully you will not force me to bring up the "tax rebate" disaster.

    I do not support welfare states, but i am even less supportive of policing the world.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You could also argue that the moon is made of green cheese.
    Refer to the production possibilities frontier, and then get back to me
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Im am not referring to government deficit and stock of debt, but the production possibilities frontier. The Iraq war was not a dire need. Pumping that type of money into our country would have improved our actual security, and saved thousands upon thousands of lives, along with providing a rather nice multiplier effect.

    The crisis is not identifiable in one package, it was the result of years of poor policy and government interference.

    Recapitalization via private sources was extinguished during 2003, when the Fed, in coordination with that current administration, sent bubble inducing signals to the consumer to purchase real estate and ****ty cars, etc.... Had corporations been allowed to fail during that time, the weakness displayed this past fall would have occurred much more swiftly, and this entire "too big to fail" argument would never have surfaced. Hopefully you will not force me to bring up the "tax rebate" disaster.

    I do not support welfare states, but i am even less supportive of policing the world.
    Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if we didn't need to "police" it? It also would be wonderful if terrorists hadn't flown hijacked airliners into high rise buildings killing 3,000 citizens.

    But alas, the world is filled with evil people who want to destroy our freedoms. They want to control the resources that allow us to feed the world.

    We ALL would like to live in a fantasy bubble and pretend the world is not filled with despots, dictators and terrorists who want to kill or enslave us; but then we have to wake up and face the REALITY.

    I suggest you contemplate those realities and wake from the slumber of fantasy that we can all just get along; it is NOT human nature and it is why the ideology of communal living always fails.

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Refer to the production possibilities frontier, and then get back to me
    If your production possibilities frontier includes telling me what kind of car I can drive, when I can turn on my appliances and where I can work; no thank you. I prefer the arena of the free market with limited Government intrusions which are part of the cause of wild swings and surges in market forces.

    It is not perfect; but this is far from a perfect world and nothing man has invented has worked better to feed people, allow them opportunity to prosper and to live in a way that permits freedom of expression and choice.

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    Re: What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if we didn't need to "police" it? It also would be wonderful if terrorists hadn't flown hijacked airliners into high rise buildings killing 3,000 citizens.

    But alas, the world is filled with evil people who want to destroy our freedoms. They want to control the resources that allow us to feed the world.

    We ALL would like to live in a fantasy bubble and pretend the world is not filled with despots, dictators and terrorists who want to kill or enslave us; but then we have to wake up and face the REALITY.

    I suggest you contemplate those realities and wake from the slumber of fantasy that we can all just get along; it is NOT human nature and it is why the ideology of communal living always fails.
    Red herring and a emotional pleas only strengthen your argument if the audience buys into them. I do not, therefore i reject your premise.

    Iraq had no involvement what so ever in the 911 attacks, and i find it laughable that you attempted to correlate the two. If you add the 4,000 plus lives lost in Iraq, you now have (according to your 911 estimate) over 7,000 causalities, all while we are no safer than we were pre invasion.

    Do pre-emptive wars of which the country and world are in disagreement make us a more safe nation? Are our enemies enthralled with the fact that it is now much easier to kill Americans with our increased middle east presence?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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