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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

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    All that about "lets avoid debating the poster" and this is the best you can contribute to the topic?




    Once again, the liberal mindset of avoidance rears its ugly head.


    This thread is not about me chuckles.....





    anyway. He is more or less right, I used the wrong word. Though I think opening talks was mistake, and given Irans response. I seem to be correct.....
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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Once again, the liberal mindset of avoidance rears its ugly head.


    This thread is not about me chuckles.....





    anyway. He is more or less right, I used the wrong word. Though I think opening talks was mistake, and given Irans response. I seem to be correct.....
    What part of Iran's response leads you to believe opening talks was a mistake(if this is even true).

    As I've seen it the only communication between the two countries has been in public speeches so Iran's "response" is a response to Obama being elected and not to any diplomatic correspondence, do you see it differently?.

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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    What part of Iran's response leads you to believe opening talks was a mistake(if this is even true).

    As I've seen it the only communication between the two countries has been in public speeches so Iran's "response" is a response to Obama being elected and not to any diplomatic correspondence, do you see it differently?.



    Oh my bad, Where you in an isolation chamber since the election?

    Iran Offers Cool Response To Obama's Overtures : NPR
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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Oh my bad, Where you in an isolation chamber since the election?

    Iran Offers Cool Response To Obama's Overtures : NPR
    Public dialogue =/ diplomatic relations. Due to its public nature there are many more reasons for public dialogue than simply diplomacy.

    Do you think the Iranian president improves his chances of reelection by talking strong?

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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Public dialogue =/ diplomatic relations. Due to its public nature there are many more reasons for public dialogue than simply diplomacy.
    This is a rather ignorant statment.


    Do you think the Iranian president improves his chances of reelection by talking strong?


    I think the Iranian president is in no trouble, given the mullah's support.
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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is a rather ignorant statment.
    I think you're displaying your ignorance by disputing this. The diplomatic process is never transparent, we are sometimes given a summary of what transpires but usually just see the result.


    I think the Iranian president is in no trouble, given the mullah's support.
    We'll see come June.

    I think the bottom line is we disagree on the influence of the mullah's and supreme leader. I don't think all of Iran's government are puppets to one man or the council. They have a political spectrum, though narrowly confined by those with true power, which sometimes tests the boundaries. An economic crisis in Iran and a public US offering of diplomacy could go along with towards encouraging revolution or a serious shift in their government. Isolating and demonizing Iran will only unite their people under those in power.

    As far as what we should do, I think we should not remove the sanctions until Iran has demonstrated its willingness to change, this should be evident after its June elections (some feel the Iranian people would like leadership that will reciprocate to US offers of diplomacy). An improvement in Iran's economy coupled with relations with the US will go a long ways with its people, should the mullah's and supreme leader intervene it should be glaringly obvious to everyone.

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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Iran has already balked at Obama. What do you all expect Syria to do? Where is the "compromise" anyway?
    Assad might be more reasonable since he is an Arab Socialist vs Ahemdinijad who is nothing but a raving theocrat. That would be my guess.
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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    But please. Lets not to the "lets attack the poster so we can avoid discussion of Obama" dance. It is played, it is transparent, and it is boring.


    What say you about this topic?
    I already did.
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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

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    I already did.

    It must have been riveting.
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    Re: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Hmm... I guess we will see then....
    Caught with your pants down again, eh? That seems to happen a lot.

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