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    Pakistan:43 Civilians die in Taliban crossfire

    Pakistan: 43 civilians die in Taliban crossfire - CNN.com

    The mountainous Swat Valley region used to be a popular destination for tourists and skiers, but today it is a Taliban stronghold.

    The Pakistani government and the army have come under criticism in recent weeks for allowing the security situation in Swat to deteriorate in the past few months. Islamabad has said there are plans for a new strategy to fight the Taliban, but they have yet to offer details.

    The Taliban are imposing their strict brand of Islamic law in the region -- banning music, forbidding men from shaving, and not allowing teenage girls to attend school. Video Watch a report on civilians killed in crossfire

    Government officials say the Taliban have torched and destroyed more than 180 schools in the Swat region. Many families have fled the area, and have been followed by many Pakistani police officers who are too scared to take on Taliban forces, a Pakistani army spokesman told CNN last week
    If you were President Obama what would you do about this? How would you go about either demanding Pakistan to succumb to you running sorties, and positioning troops 100 miles into Pakistan territory, or demanding that Pakistan did more in an effort to rid the region of the Taliban?
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    Re: Into Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    If you were President Obama what would you do about this? How would you go about either demanding Pakistan to succumb to you running sorties, and positioning troops 100 miles into Pakistan territory, or demanding that Pakistan did more in an effort to rid the region of the Taliban?
    Well, now that President Obama is already a war criminal for not getting UN approval to bomb Pakistan as he did last week, in a raid that killed civilians, I would think that he has a free hand to do what he wants. I mean if you're already a war criminal then why bother refraining in your actions and working to build an international coalition to invade into Pakistani territory?

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    Re: Into Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Well, now that President Obama is already a war criminal for not getting UN approval to bomb Pakistan as he did last week, in a raid that killed civilians, I would think that he has a free hand to do what he wants.

    War criminal? Did he topple the Pakistani government? So Riverdad, with your comments you are in support of Bush being hanged right? I mean you don't want to be considered a hypocrite right?

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    War criminal? Did he topple the Pakistani government? So Riverdad, with your comments you are in support of Bush being hanged right? I mean you don't want to be considered a hypocrite right?

    Just saying.
    I'm just using the definitions that have been applied to President Bush's conduct. President Bush got UN Approval and he got a coalition of nations to go into Iraq with us. Many felt he was a war criminal for not getting the "right nations" to join in. If that makes him a war criminal, then surely President Obama bombing a sovereign nation, without UN approval, much like President Johnson's initiation of Cambodian bombing operations, must also qualify him for the same sobriquet.

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    Re: Into Pakistan?

    I would advocate using the right of Hot Pursuit to clean out the Pakistani tribal province.

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    Re: Into Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm just using the definitions that have been applied to President Bush's conduct.
    And I asked you a question, since you are so vocal about Obama, you are also claiming Bush is a war criminal yes? Keep your consistency at least.

    You think Bush is a war criminal right? Can't have it one way and not the other, so you are saying Bush is a war criminal yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I would advocate using the right of Hot Pursuit to clean out the Pakistani tribal province.
    I advocate the resurrection of the containment doctrine - No Muslim immigration into the West, no Western support for corporations that invest in Muslim lands and then require Western support to protect their investments. We can trade, we can exchange ideas, but good fences make for good neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And I asked you a question, since you are so vocal about Obama, you are also claiming Bush is a war criminal yes? Keep your consistency at least.

    You think Bush is a war criminal right? Can't have it one way and not the other, so you are saying Bush is a war criminal yes?
    As I noted, my response is conditional. IF President Bush is deemed a war criminal, THEN so too should President Obama. IF President Bush is deemed not a war criminal, THEN neither should President Obama for his actions thus far.

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    Re: Into Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I advocate the resurrection of the containment doctrine - No Muslim immigration into the West, no Western support for corporations that invest in Muslim lands and then require Western support to protect their investments. We can trade, we can exchange ideas, but good fences make for good neighbors.
    Our fight is not with Muslims, it is with the Taliban and AlQaeda. Keep your eye on the ball.

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    Re: Into Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Our fight is not with Muslims, it is with the Taliban and AlQaeda. Keep your eye on the ball.
    No, the problem we have is with the tenets of faith that are integral to Islam. Make note of Islam's Bloody Borders.

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