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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    It really doesn't matter. It's her body, and therefore her right to have as many children as she wants and is capable of having, as well as to use any fertility drugs, aids, or treatments she is capable of affording or otherwise obtaining.

    This is a right that very few (if any) other women care to exercise to this extent. That doesn't mean they don't have the right, simply because they don't choose to exercise it.

    The fact that one woman (or two, if you count Michelle Duggar) chooses to exercise- to the fullest extent possible- her right to bear as many children as humanly possible, does not concern me overmuch, as it is a self-limiting right, and there are a finite, 2-digit number of offspring one woman can produce- with or without fertility aids and treatments- before she drops dead of gestational diabetes, toxemia, and hypertension, runs out of eggs and enters premature menopause (a common side effect of overuse of fertility drugs and procedures such as IVF, which remove multiple eggs from the ovaries), or simply ****s out her uterus and has to have it removed (this is called uterine prolapse and was common in the days when women routinely bore eight or ten children).

    I think it's actually a pretty impressive feat, although not, of course, one that I'd be at all interested in replicating. Now let's see what she can do with all these children. Perhaps her parenting skills will prove equally as extraordinary as her progenerative capacity. Who knows?
    There's nothing about having a handicapped child that makes one unfit to have more children- even many more, if that is one's desire.

    We should all just be grateful that women, not men, are the ones who get to decide how many children will be born, since a man is theoretically capable of creating hundreds, perhaps a thousand, while a woman can only produce a dozen or possibly 20 at the absolute, outside max.

    It's such a rare and exceptional occurrence when any woman actually does it that I don't see any point in fretting over it.
    It happened, and it's her right.
    And who knows, maybe she'll foil all these dire predictions and actually end up taking decent care of the poor little buggers. It's her right to try, anyway. They're hers. She made them.

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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    It really doesn't matter. It's her body, and therefore her right to have as many children as she wants and is capable of having, as well as to use any fertility drugs, aids, or treatments she is capable of affording or otherwise obtaining.
    And it's our duty to pay for them. The delivery alone cost about $3 million. She lives in the Los Angeles area, but I'm not sure whether she lives in the Los Angeles Unified School District boundaries, but if she does, then with their $25,000 per year cost of educating each child, her 14 children will require $350,000 per year of education costs, for 12 years, totaling $4,200,000. The lady is unemployed and living with her parents, so who will be paying for the medical care of the 14 children.

    You see, she certainly has a right to control her own reproductive life, but her right to do so should stop when her choices impose costs on strangers. As the saying goes, you have the unfettered right to swing your fist, that is, until your fist intersects with my jaw, and at that point, your right to swing your fist no longer exists.

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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    It really doesn't matter. It's her body, and therefore her right to have as many children as she wants and is capable of having, as well as to use any fertility drugs, aids, or treatments she is capable of affording or otherwise obtaining.

    This is a right that very few (if any) other women care to exercise to this extent. That doesn't mean they don't have the right, simply because they don't choose to exercise it.
    Under what UN charter, treaty, accord, U.S. legal document, etc etc does it say that abortion and having kids at the expense of others is a right?
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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    She cannot maintain care for all these children, so eventually child services, by very virtue of the laws, will have to step in. Then those kids end up in foster homes. And who pays for that? Everyone else.

    So while it is her choice to conceive, it is not her choice if it means every child she continues to has is going to be a blatant drain on the system. If she's an unfit mother, yet continues having kids, they will force her to get her tubes tied. It is one of the rare cases where the system will contradict a woman's right to choose, since clearly she is too incapable of making the right choice.

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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News



    What the hell is wrong with some people. Seriously how the hell can you raise 14 children alone?

    This really sounds unethical to me. A doctor willing to do this for a woman who already has 6 children is disturbing.

    There is no doubt in my mind that this woman will eventually, if she already isn't, use government money to live her life.
    If they can afford to take care of the children on their own with no take payer help then they should be able to have as many children as they want. However from what I understand this woman can not afford to take car of those kids on her own. Doctors shouldn't be giving her in vitro fertilization until she can show several pay stubs that says she can support this many children on her own.
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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    Octuplets mom gets TV, book offers - Parenting & Family - MSNBC.com

    This is good news. Then she hopefully wont' be needing any tax dollars for assistance.

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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Octuplets mom gets TV, book offers - Parenting & Family - MSNBC.com

    This is good news. Then she hopefully wont' be needing any tax dollars for assistance.
    Hope she doesn't use all that money for more in vitro.

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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Octuplets mom gets TV, book offers - Parenting & Family - MSNBC.com

    This is good news. Then she hopefully wont' be needing any tax dollars for assistance.
    I wonder what the title of her book will be? "How to be a mooch by having children","Where to find unethical in vitro fertilization doctors, so you can pop out more kids and further mooch off the system?" I know good one she can write for the fiction section, "How to take care of 14 plus kids on your own without a job and husband".
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

    It might be her right to reproduce, but at least doctors are supposed to have ethical standards and any doc who implanted 8 embryos (at least - remember, they thought there were only 7) isn't meeting standards. Implanting in a single mother with SIX children isn't ethical either - so while I believe she's unstable, she's got to share the blame with her fertility doc.

    No one can look after 14 kids - it takes a staff to do that, and Mom, Grandma and Grandad aren't going to cut it. Unless she scores big time on book/tv deals (and sponsors are staying away in droves because of the negative PR around this) there's no way to care for those kids, and they will end up in care on the gov dime.

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