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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    US will never be seen as a european country. It is too different, i am saying that we have tried the stupid Republican way for the past 8 years and where has it got the rest of the world? Oh yes, UNSAFE.

    The President has barely been in for a month and people are diving at him. I think his method will work very well in the Muslim world
    Which method ? The condoms or the abortion abortion funding ?

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Mr V....always standing watch,thank you sir. What do you think will happen to "Israel", when Iran finds out Barry doesn`t really care about them?
    Probably they'll be the second country to use Nuclear Weapons...

    And Iran will have some new glass parking lots.

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Did it ever occur to you that enemy nations ALWAYS test new presidents to see how they react? What other advice do you think we should take from the Iranian government?
    I'm not commenting about their advice, and I know other countries test new Presidents.

    And you read between the lines, and it says "Weak ass Americans."

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Probably they'll be the second country to use Nuclear Weapons...

    And Iran will have some new glass parking lots.

    Let's say all years ran together in some disgustingly pleasant montage, that there was no longer "time", and you were ignorant of how history unfolds. If the Soviet Union, under Stalin and this Iranian regime were present at the say tea-party, so to speak, which one would you be worried most about?
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Let's say all years ran together in some disgustingly pleasant montage, that there was no longer "time", and you were ignorant of how history unfolds. If the Soviet Union, under Stalin and this Iranian regime were present at the say tea-party, so to speak, which one would you be worried most about?

    What a silly thing to discuss... however I'd be more worried about Stalin, just to play along. If I were Israel I'd worry Stalin would arm Iran and act even quicker.

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What a silly thing to discuss... however I'd be more worried about Stalin, just to play along. If I were Israel I'd worry Stalin would arm Iran and act even quicker.
    Yeah, but I used it to make a point and I didn't want you to jump the gun.

    So if we went through, circa ,50 years of a highly dangerous and highly volatile and highly competitive Soviet Union (one could of course argue that the later parts were not so bad, as they were crumbling, and then Reagan smashed them; yes Futurama reference) and not a single nuclear weapon was used, then why would you suggest that Iran would use one?

    I don't think the next use of a nuclear weapon will be by a nation-state. As Nation-States aren't that crazy. And by crazy, I mean they are not even half as crazy as Mr. Stalin.
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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Yeah, but I used it to make a point and I didn't want you to jump the gun.

    So if we went through, circa ,50 years of a highly dangerous and highly volatile and highly competitive Soviet Union (one could of course argue that the later parts were not so bad, as they were crumbling, and then Reagan smashed them; yes Futurama reference) and not a single nuclear weapon was used, then why would you suggest that Iran would use one?

    I don't think the next use of a nuclear weapon will be by a nation-state. As Nation-States aren't that crazy. And by crazy, I mean they are not even half as crazy as Mr. Stalin.

    The USSR was not driven by an ideology that promoted self sacrifice to achieve the Will of Allah. Iranian leaders have made it clear, they WILL Destroy Israel. Israel will not sit around and wait for that to happen.

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The USSR was not driven by an ideology that promoted self sacrifice to achieve the Will of Allah. Iranian leaders have made it clear, they WILL Destroy Israel. Israel will not sit around and wait for that to happen.
    You're wrong. There was a large will of self-sacrifice in order to better the state, and promote stability within the region through the systematic destruction of other entities. There was just not Allah. The state was infalliable, so the state took up the position of Allah.

    I think Iran is just trying its damnest to cater to those who are against Israel. I see their threats as nothing more than talk. They understand that Israel is an American-backed forced in the region, and that they have to promote an anti-American sentiment otherwise they are at risk of losing the sphere of influence war in the region. A La Jihad Vs. McWorld.
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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You're wrong. There was a large will of self-sacrifice in order to better the state, and promote stability within the region through the systematic destruction of other entities. There was just not Allah. The state was infalliable, so the state took up the position of Allah.

    I think Iran is just trying its damnest to cater to those who are against Israel. I see their threats as nothing more than talk. They understand that Israel is an American-backed forced in the region, and that they have to promote an anti-American sentiment otherwise they are at risk of losing the sphere of influence war in the region. A La Jihad Vs. McWorld.
    Do you really think the USSR was willing to risk annihilation? After WWII their main focus was on preventing another attack like that. They believed in Communism, but not to the point of dying for it enmasse.

    Iranian theological leaders do however, believe that they are doing Allah's Will.

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    Re: Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do you really think the USSR was willing to risk annihilation? After WWII their main focus was on preventing another attack like that. They believed in Communism, but not to the point of dying for it enmasse.

    Iranian theological leaders do however, believe that they are doing Allah's Will.
    No. I don't think the USSR was willing to risk annihilation. I don't think Iran is willing to risk annihilation.

    The misuse of religion, as a function of the state to promote a certain agenda, is not the product of a true belief, or serious belief, in that religion. I think these politicians in the bowels of Tehran are using religion as the Crusading Kings, and officials, did in Medieval Europe. A way to justify their greed, and a way to support their absurd lust for power.

    However, I do not think these individuals are willing to lose support, and power, by destroying another nation-state. They realize, as do other nation-states, that we no longer live in a time where you can sack Carthage--rape,pillage, and burn-- and get away with it.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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