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    Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Gaza rocket hits southern Israel
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    JERUSALEM (AFP) — A rocket fired by Palestinian militants from the Gaza Strip exploded in southern Israel on Saturday, but there were no casualties or damage reported, the Israeli army said.

    It is the third rocket attack since ceasefires on January 18 brought an end to Israel's three-week onslaught against Hamas-ruled Gaza which left more than 1,330 Palestinians dead.

    The rocket was fired from the north of the Gaza Strip and landed in a field near the city of Ashkelon, the army said.
    Source: AFP

    An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.

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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Source: AFP

    An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.
    2 things:

    They both declared there own unilateral ceasefires with there own conditions. Israel in the late night of Saturday, Jan 17, and Hamas during the afternoon on Sunday, Jan 18.
    2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The first violation of any of the ceasefires was the killing of a farmer in Khan Younis who was checking his farm on the MORNING of Sunday, Jan 18.
    2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But the ceasefires were eventually going to get broken, they were structured with no negotiations.

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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Source: AFP

    An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.
    It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.
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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.
    That's a pathetic dodge Pete....

    As the - government/military/police force - of Gaza, Hamas is ultimately responsible for its own actions... and the actions of Gazans in regards to ceasefire violations and aggression against a sovereign neighbor.

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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    But the ceasefires were eventually going to get broken, they were structured with no negotiations.
    A > The crap hits the fan

    B > The world demands a ceasefire

    C > A temporary lull in the fighting

    D > The world no longer gives a crap

    E > Return to A

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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Time to go back in, this time with the gloves off.
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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    A > The crap hits the fan

    B > The world demands a ceasefire

    C > A temporary lull in the fighting

    D > The world no longer gives a crap

    E > Return to A
    I care. Most of us care. There's just not much we can do in stopping a few bad people from doing a few bad deeds. Most nation-states cannot do any interfering A) Because as soon as it arrives there will be a consensus of "Nonya Business". B) Most are putting local/regional politics before Global. C) The voice of the "civilized world", UN, cannot function properly, as it has little to no authority.
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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    That's a pathetic dodge Pete....

    As the - government/military/police force - of Gaza, Hamas is ultimately responsible for its own actions... and the actions of Gazans in regards to ceasefire violations and aggression against a sovereign neighbor.
    You blaming Hamas is a typical pathetic demonizing of a group without no proof. Sure they are terrorist scum, but there is zero proof that they were involved.

    You know very well that the structure of the Palestinian resistance is fragmented into various groups, where Hamas is one that is a bit more powerfull. Hamas is just one of those groups, and just because Hamas "won" over Fatha in Gaza does not mean that they control the area 100%... especially with their infrastructure destroyed by the IDF over the last many months.

    Lets change the names and put IDF instead of Hamas. If we are suppose to use your definition, then every settler attack against any Palestinian is sanctioned and known beforehand by the IDF and the political bosses in Tel Aviv and hence the responsibility of the Israeli government..any and all attack by any crazy settler... are you willing to accept that?

    Not even the IDF and the civilian Israeli government has that much control over its own people and Israel has a well defined political, social, legal and military structure, and you expect the Palestinians to be better than Israel and not only control everything, but have full knowledge of everything happening in their territory, and yet have no well defined political, social, legal or military structure...............

    Unless Hamas admits it was them, or the IDF can prove that it was Hamas, then I am sorry, but the closest you can claim is that rockets were shot from the Palestinian area by persons unknown... Should Hamas attempt to prevent the firing of rockets? You bet, but a bit hard when your political and military infrastructure is no better than an early 20th century banana republic.

    So yes the rockets must stop, but blaming Hamas for everything that is happening is just wrong and counter-productive. What is next, blaming them for the blocked sewer in a Northern Israeli town, or that your cats peed all over the place?
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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You blaming Hamas is a typical pathetic demonizing of a group without no proof. Sure they are terrorist scum, but there is zero proof that they were involved.

    You know very well that the structure of the Palestinian resistance is fragmented into various groups, where Hamas is one that is a bit more powerfull. Hamas is just one of those groups, and just because Hamas "won" over Fatha in Gaza does not mean that they control the area 100%... especially with their infrastructure destroyed by the IDF over the last many months.

    Lets change the names and put IDF instead of Hamas. If we are suppose to use your definition, then every settler attack against any Palestinian is sanctioned and known beforehand by the IDF and the political bosses in Tel Aviv and hence the responsibility of the Israeli government..any and all attack by any crazy settler... are you willing to accept that?

    Not even the IDF and the civilian Israeli government has that much control over its own people and Israel has a well defined political, social, legal and military structure, and you expect the Palestinians to be better than Israel and not only control everything, but have full knowledge of everything happening in their territory, and yet have no well defined political, social, legal or military structure...............

    Unless Hamas admits it was them, or the IDF can prove that it was Hamas, then I am sorry, but the closest you can claim is that rockets were shot from the Palestinian area by persons unknown... Should Hamas attempt to prevent the firing of rockets? You bet, but a bit hard when your political and military infrastructure is no better than an early 20th century banana republic.

    So yes the rockets must stop, but blaming Hamas for everything that is happening is just wrong and counter-productive. What is next, blaming them for the blocked sewer in a Northern Israeli town, or that your cats peed all over the place?
    Pete, I can tell you are upset about this but letting your love of terrorists cloud your judgement...my, my, my. Hamas is the poster child of terror in the region so lets be real. Go give Laila a hug, I bitched her out earlier for being an EU liberal whinert.
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    Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Source: AFP

    An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.
    I honestly think that Israel should go in take over and incorporate the Palestinian areas.

    Seriously this crap keeps going on over and over. The Muslims with in Israel live pretty well and are represented. The Palestinians could thrive peaceably in that scenario to if the dirt bags are taken out.
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