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Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

Tashah

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Gaza rocket hits southern Israel
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JERUSALEM (AFP) — A rocket fired by Palestinian militants from the Gaza Strip exploded in southern Israel on Saturday, but there were no casualties or damage reported, the Israeli army said.

It is the third rocket attack since ceasefires on January 18 brought an end to Israel's three-week onslaught against Hamas-ruled Gaza which left more than 1,330 Palestinians dead.

The rocket was fired from the north of the Gaza Strip and landed in a field near the city of Ashkelon, the army said.
Source: AFP

An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.
 
Source: AFP

An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.

2 things:

They both declared there own unilateral ceasefires with there own conditions. Israel in the late night of Saturday, Jan 17, and Hamas during the afternoon on Sunday, Jan 18.
2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first violation of any of the ceasefires was the killing of a farmer in Khan Younis who was checking his farm on the MORNING of Sunday, Jan 18.
2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But the ceasefires were eventually going to get broken, they were structured with no negotiations.
 
Source: AFP

An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.

It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.
 
It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.
That's a pathetic dodge Pete....

As the - government/military/police force - of Gaza, Hamas is ultimately responsible for its own actions... and the actions of Gazans in regards to ceasefire violations and aggression against a sovereign neighbor.
 
But the ceasefires were eventually going to get broken, they were structured with no negotiations.

A > The crap hits the fan

B > The world demands a ceasefire

C > A temporary lull in the fighting

D > The world no longer gives a crap

E > Return to A
 
A > The crap hits the fan

B > The world demands a ceasefire

C > A temporary lull in the fighting

D > The world no longer gives a crap

E > Return to A

I care. Most of us care. There's just not much we can do in stopping a few bad people from doing a few bad deeds. Most nation-states cannot do any interfering A) Because as soon as it arrives there will be a consensus of "Nonya Business". B) Most are putting local/regional politics before Global. C) The voice of the "civilized world", UN, cannot function properly, as it has little to no authority.
 
That's a pathetic dodge Pete....

As the - government/military/police force - of Gaza, Hamas is ultimately responsible for its own actions... and the actions of Gazans in regards to ceasefire violations and aggression against a sovereign neighbor.

You blaming Hamas is a typical pathetic demonizing of a group without no proof. Sure they are terrorist scum, but there is zero proof that they were involved.

You know very well that the structure of the Palestinian resistance is fragmented into various groups, where Hamas is one that is a bit more powerfull. Hamas is just one of those groups, and just because Hamas "won" over Fatha in Gaza does not mean that they control the area 100%... especially with their infrastructure destroyed by the IDF over the last many months.

Lets change the names and put IDF instead of Hamas. If we are suppose to use your definition, then every settler attack against any Palestinian is sanctioned and known beforehand by the IDF and the political bosses in Tel Aviv and hence the responsibility of the Israeli government..any and all attack by any crazy settler... are you willing to accept that?

Not even the IDF and the civilian Israeli government has that much control over its own people and Israel has a well defined political, social, legal and military structure, and you expect the Palestinians to be better than Israel and not only control everything, but have full knowledge of everything happening in their territory, and yet have no well defined political, social, legal or military structure...............:roll:

Unless Hamas admits it was them, or the IDF can prove that it was Hamas, then I am sorry, but the closest you can claim is that rockets were shot from the Palestinian area by persons unknown... Should Hamas attempt to prevent the firing of rockets? You bet, but a bit hard when your political and military infrastructure is no better than an early 20th century banana republic.

So yes the rockets must stop, but blaming Hamas for everything that is happening is just wrong and counter-productive. What is next, blaming them for the blocked sewer in a Northern Israeli town, or that your cats peed all over the place?
 
You blaming Hamas is a typical pathetic demonizing of a group without no proof. Sure they are terrorist scum, but there is zero proof that they were involved.

You know very well that the structure of the Palestinian resistance is fragmented into various groups, where Hamas is one that is a bit more powerfull. Hamas is just one of those groups, and just because Hamas "won" over Fatha in Gaza does not mean that they control the area 100%... especially with their infrastructure destroyed by the IDF over the last many months.

Lets change the names and put IDF instead of Hamas. If we are suppose to use your definition, then every settler attack against any Palestinian is sanctioned and known beforehand by the IDF and the political bosses in Tel Aviv and hence the responsibility of the Israeli government..any and all attack by any crazy settler... are you willing to accept that?

Not even the IDF and the civilian Israeli government has that much control over its own people and Israel has a well defined political, social, legal and military structure, and you expect the Palestinians to be better than Israel and not only control everything, but have full knowledge of everything happening in their territory, and yet have no well defined political, social, legal or military structure...............:roll:

Unless Hamas admits it was them, or the IDF can prove that it was Hamas, then I am sorry, but the closest you can claim is that rockets were shot from the Palestinian area by persons unknown... Should Hamas attempt to prevent the firing of rockets? You bet, but a bit hard when your political and military infrastructure is no better than an early 20th century banana republic.

So yes the rockets must stop, but blaming Hamas for everything that is happening is just wrong and counter-productive. What is next, blaming them for the blocked sewer in a Northern Israeli town, or that your cats peed all over the place?

Pete, I can tell you are upset about this but letting your love of terrorists cloud your judgement...my, my, my. Hamas is the poster child of terror in the region so lets be real. Go give Laila a hug, I bitched her out earlier for being an EU liberal whinert.
 
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Source: AFP

An Israeli border soldier was also killed post-ceasefire with an IED. Hamas agreed to this ceasefire... and has already violated it.

I honestly think that Israel should go in take over and incorporate the Palestinian areas.

Seriously this crap keeps going on over and over. The Muslims with in Israel live pretty well and are represented. The Palestinians could thrive peaceably in that scenario to if the dirt bags are taken out.
 
Pete, I can tell you are upset about this but letting your love of terrorists cloud your judgement...my, my, my. Hamas is the poster child of terror in the region so lets be real. Go give Laila a hug, I bitched her out earlier for being an EU liberal whinert.

I would like some hate paint thrown on me too, please. For I agree with Pete.
 
So yes the rockets must stop, but blaming Hamas for everything that is happening is just wrong and counter-productive.
As the government of Gaza, Hamas IS responsible for its territory and citizens.

Who the hell else could be responsible?

The government of Fiji?

wtf :confused:
 
As the government of Gaza, Hamas IS responsible for its territory and citizens.

Who the hell else could be responsible?

The government of Fiji?

wtf :confused:

Tasha, looking into the future of your country scares me as much as looking at Americas future. The way the games are being played(both sides of the ocean) leaves me in a state of mind of terror. Terror of ones own government ,and its adol minded peoples present state of apathy is a terror indeed. God bless Israel ,and trust me here, you are not alone. I really can`t imagine (fully) being in Israel,and knowing what Islam would have for your future. WAKE UP WORLD.
 
It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.
You sound like a Hamas lover.
 
That's a pathetic dodge Pete....

As the - government/military/police force - of Gaza, Hamas is ultimately responsible for its own actions... and the actions of Gazans in regards to ceasefire violations and aggression against a sovereign neighbor.

I agree, but I must assert that Israel needs to also get its house in order. I know the Israeli government does not approve of soldiers killing Palestinian farmers, settlers in Hebron running Palestinians off their land, and then taking it, sometimes killing Palestinians in the process, and the use of white phosphorus by Israeli troops. However, as Hamas should be held responsible for its actions, by virtue of their being the Palestinian leadership, Israel should also be held responsible for actions committed against Palestinians by its own military and citizenry. If Israel can only get its own house in order, then, while there still might be an outcry from its enemies when it invades Gaza, or invades Lebanon, or goes to war in other ways, those cries of "foul" would fall on deaf ears.

I would like to make some further points:

1) At this point, I will assert that Israel IS a Zionist state. I will also assert that there is nothing wrong with a Zionist state, and I fully support a Zionist state for the Jewish people. It is only Israel's enemies that have somewhat successfuly redefined the meaning of Zionism as something negative, when Zionism is actually something positive - A Jewish homeland. Those who have promised to destroy Israel have managed to pervert the concept of Zionism by running a campaign of misinformation.

2) If Israel had only annexed the territory in captured in the 1967 war, I don't believe that there would be much of a problem today. There is nothing wrong with taking spoils of war when you are the nation that others attempted to exterminate.

3) Israel should get its own house in order, and then, if provoked, I would be in favor of massive retaliation to teach its enemies that, for each Israeli killed, 100 or more of its enemies will die.

4) However, the concept of breaking cease fires is a two way street. Israel cannot have its cake and eat it too. Somewhere, the Israeli people need to show the world that it IS dedicated to peace.

5) In response to argument 4), people are only human, and that is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Israel should put settlers in jail, and hand out harsh sentences to them, if they attack Palestinians in their own homes, and drive them off their land.

6) But, if Palestinians are using their land to support attacks on Israelis, then Israel should just take the land, and kill the offenders.

Damn. Look at me. I am debating myself. Who is going to win this debate? Me or me? Vote now. :mrgreen:

Seriously, though, this is some really complicated stuff here. There are violations on both sides, but when you consider the history of how Israel's enemies have promised to eliminate the state of Israel, I have no choice but to be on the side of Israel, even if some of its own citizens are complicit in crimes against Palestinians. After all, Palestinian crimes against Israel are orders of magnitude greater. I only wish that Israel's citizens would not harden their hearts so much, and wish so much violence against those Palestinians who only want to live their lives in peace. But I understand if they do. Does not make hardened hearts right, though. I only said that I understand, but since I do not live in the area, then maybe I understand less than I believe I do.

To Tashah - God bless. :)
 
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It is quite obvious that certain members of this forum have a bias towards Israel. They will allways regardless of the circumstances take the side of Israels enemies.

Of course it was Hamas.
 
As the government of Gaza, Hamas IS responsible for its territory and citizens.

Who the hell else could be responsible?

Maybe the occupiers in Iraq should topple the government, you know, because of all of those IED's for which they're responsible...:roll:
 
How are the citizens responsible for their government? I know I had absolutely nothing to do with Britain going to Iraq.
 
I would like some hate paint thrown on me too, please. For I agree with Pete.

That wasn`t hate paint,it was what kind of stupid are you ? No matter who fired the rocket,the powers that be get the blaim and Gaza gets the counter attack. Counter, Counter, Counter...Boom,...Boom,...Boom. If the terrorists are upset about Israels counter attacks, they should think twice about breaking cease fire agreements. Stop being a whiney little appologist for Hammas, you look stupid.
 
That wasn`t hate paint,it was what kind of stupid are you ? No matter who fired the rocket,the powers that be get the blaim and Gaza gets the counter attack. Counter, Counter, Counter...Boom,...Boom,...Boom. If the terrorists are upset about Israels counter attacks, they should think twice about breaking cease fire agreements. Stop being a whiney little appologist for Hammas, you look stupid.

Yes, we all know about the cease fires. Israel goes in and blasts things, then says cease fire. Hamas does the same thing, then declares a cease fire.

Sorry but you don't "one-up" your opponent and then cry cease fire.

That would be like me coming up uto you hitting you with a bat, then saying "cease-fire" and then blaming you for retaliating.
 
Al'Jazeera reports (FWIW) that Hamas did not agree to this ceasefire:
Despite Israel's self-declared ceasefire, Hamas officials said they would not stop fighting until Israeli troops withdrew. "If the Israeli military continues its existence in the Gaza Strip, that is a wide door for the resistance against the occupation forces," Osama Hamdan, a Hamas official in Lebanon told Al Jazeera. Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, said: "The Zionist enemy must stop all its aggression, completely withdraw from the Gaza Strip, lift the blockade, and open the crossings. We will not accept the presence of a single soldier in Gaza."
Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Olmert announces Gaza ceasefire
 
Al'Jazeera reports (FWIW) that Hamas did not agree to this ceasefire:

Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Olmert announces Gaza ceasefire

It would be hard to declare a cease fire with troops still on your soil. What if a small faction of incursion forces wanted to start firing a stockpile they found just to keep the bombing going?

If I was a leader in some same predicament I would not want any confusion. If a rocket went off towards Israel then I would want to know if it came from men under my control, men not under my control, or maybe possibly even the "enemy" seeing as they are actually their.

And just to crush this now. No I don't personally believe that Israel has been firing the rockets at themselves also. And it is a situation that you would never want to happen.
 
It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.

An equal scenario would be if the U.S. Republicans started firing rockets into China and the Democratics couldn't do anything about it and the Government wont. What do you thinks going to happen?
 
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