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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    On the basis of what has become international norms lately I do support Russian intervention in Georgia.
    Georgia was in war with those provinces to keep them, and slaughtered its own people as a result, Russia intervened.
    Only the classically blind to the truth could equate Georgia with Iraq. The situation in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are far more analogous with the Kosovo/Serbia situation than with Iraq. Of course, the notion that Georgia was "slaughtering" its own people is more a result of RUssian propoganda than any point of fact.

    If the US hadnt gone to Iraq the way they did, I would not have supported Russians intervention in Georgia without UN security council direct approval. But Russia also noted that the UN was worthless when the US could go to Iraq on technicalities and propaganda, so they just skipped all that and went directly to demonstrate a very valid point. That the US effectively made the UN security council invalid.
    You simply can't read beyond your own pointedly biased point of view, can you. There were numerous UNSC resolutions against Iraq which contained the right for Member States to use force to enforce those resolutions. There were no such resolutions regarding Georgia. Your rhetoric is nothing more than , not an honest analysis of the facts.
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its a resolution valid to the first Gulf war against Iraq. Passed because Iraq invaded Kuwait.
    Its NOT a justification for going to war 15 years later.

    Iraq however complied with that resolution.
    Iraq complied with that resolution with FORCE.

    And it was NOT valid only to that resolution. It was valid for that AND ALL SUBSEQUENT RELEVANT RESOLUTIONS. Sorry your reading comprehension isn't quite there, but that is in the resolution. What part of this do you NOT understand?
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats the kind of intelligent thinking which unleashed Russia.
    to invade Georgia.
















    That is correct, it would be crime against humanity for Russia to apply to the UN for a resolution #nnn about South Ossetia instead of stopping the attempt of genocide by Georgians.

    It is a kind of unusual that you can come in agreement with common sense. I will record time and day.

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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Iraq complied with that resolution with FORCE.

    And it was NOT valid only to that resolution. It was valid for that AND ALL SUBSEQUENT RELEVANT RESOLUTIONS. Sorry your reading comprehension isn't quite there, but that is in the resolution. What part of this do you NOT understand?
    The part where I didnt read the whole resolution.. Just a summary.
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Have you ever read 678? How convenient of you to leave out the other parts of my post in your quote btw..
    Have YOU ever read 678, particularly operative clause 2?

    2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait, unless Iraq on or before 15 January 1991 fully implements, as set forth in paragraph 1 above, the above-mentioned resolutions, to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area;
    Please READ before commenting again.
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Only the classically blind to the truth could equate Georgia with Iraq. The situation in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are far more analogous with the Kosovo/Serbia situation than with Iraq. Of course, the notion that Georgia was "slaughtering" its own people is more a result of RUssian propoganda than any point of fact.
    More so propaganda then US people actually thinking the Iraq war was justified and legal?


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You simply can't read beyond your own pointedly biased point of view, can you. There were numerous UNSC resolutions against Iraq which contained the right for Member States to use force to enforce those resolutions. There were no such resolutions regarding Georgia. Your rhetoric is nothing more than , not an honest analysis of the facts.
    I intensely followed the news before the Iraq war, and during it. I actually supported it at first out of ignorance about the reality and because Fox news was the channel I watched at the time.. I came to my senses when I got other news media, Fox is just so incredibly bias and unrealistic, thats its amazing how such a channel can even be legal. Its just propaganda, nothing else.

    Its easy to say now after 5 years of bombardment of propaganda that the Iraq war was justified, but at the time the general opinion was that it wasnt.. This being a US forum, doesnt really convince me it was legal. But of course you people want to support your governments actions no matter what they do it seems.
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The part where I didnt read the whole resolution.. Just a summary.
    Now that you have read the entire resolution (not that it was very long) are you willing to admit your error?
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    More so propaganda then US people actually thinking the Iraq war was justified and legal?
    I don't need US propoganda or anything else to read UNSC REsolutions and glean fact from them. Have you read the relevant resolutions yet?

    I intensely followed the news before the Iraq war, and during it. I actually supported it at first out of ignorance about the reality and because Fox news was the channel I watched at the time.. I came to my senses when I got other news media, Fox is just so incredibly bias and unrealistic, thats its amazing how such a channel can even be legal. Its just propaganda, nothing else.
    I don't even get Fox News.
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    I should ask mods, - if MZ takes my words rearranges and cuts them in a frivolous way so that the meanings I put in them is completely lost and perverted and then represents them as a quote of my words - and in his sig, - may I demand him or anyone else who does the same to be permanently banned from DP?
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    Re: Nato wary of Russian treaty plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Now that you have read the entire resolution (not that it was very long) are you willing to admit your error?
    No.. because I know its a technicality.. The UN security council didn't directly approve the Iraq war.. And to go to war against a sovereign state, such direct approval is necessary. I believe there was several rounds of talks where the security council didn't approve of the US going to Iraq, before the US actually did on their own with the coalition of the willing micro states. They did so by exploiting technicalities, thus the whole case about WMDs and it not being found, thus all the controversy around pre-emptive attacks, thus all the controversy around Iraq, thus not UN security council member France not going to Iraq, thus the whole row of excuses afterwards and US propaganda that going there to remove Saddam was a justified reason and so on..

    You just dont see the whole of it, just blindly cling to that technicality in the resolution that the US exploited, as if thats proper justification.
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