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Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

Why is it that you think there are so few minorities, especially blacks, in the GOP?

The Democrats and media have convinced blacks, through years of welfare and other social programs, that the Dems are the party for them and they owe that allegiance...

Just sayin'...
 
The Democrats and media have convinced blacks, through years of welfare and other social programs, that the Dems are the party for them and they owe that allegiance...

Just sayin'...

So blacks have been manipulated, and don't really know what's best for them. is that what you're saying?
 
You all must watch South Park, right? Do you know who Token Black is?

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Yeah, he's the rich kid in south park.
 
Why is it that you think there are so few minorities, especially blacks, in the GOP?
That's easy:
The vast majority of blacks are ideologically and socially incompaitable with the implementation of laws and government policies that preserve as mush personal freedom as possible, while expecting those that then exercise said freedom to be held to a commesurate amount of personal responsibility.

Why is it that --you-- think there are so few blacks in the GOP?
 
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You know what the difference is? Democrats ELECT Blacks to serve in Congress, the Senate, The Presidency...and where have Republicans voted Blacks into national offices? How many Black Republicans are there in the Congress? HINT......The answer rhymes with HERO.....

ZERO ELECTED BLACK REPUBLICANS IN AMERICA IN 2009!!!

What a compelling, yet completely inane argument. :2wave:
 
That's easy:
The vast majority of blacks are ideologically and socially incompaitable with the implementation of laws and government policies that preserve as mush personal freedom as possible, while expecting those that then exercise said freedom to be held to a commesurate amount of personal responsibility.

Interesting theory. Why are blacks ideologically and socially incompatible with said laws and policies, and leads you to think this?
 
I believe there are, though to a lesser extent. Now would you care to answer the original question I asked?



How do you figure to a lesser extent? What evidence do you have to make this claim.


Racism =/= political affiliation.




Now you asked me about why I think there are so few?


Most black folk live in urban areas which are historically democrat. The leaders, teachers, voices, of the "Black community" are predominatly left wing.


The same way Utah is predominatly republican.... It is not like republicans are systematically preventing them from running.




no racism, it is what it is.
 
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I would be more interested in your arguments of why Michael is NOT the best person for the job? While you are at it, why not explain why Michael wasn't the best person for the job of Governor of Maryland too? After all, like most of your commentaries, it should be worth a few giggles at the least.


:rofl Steele was NEVER Governor of Maryland....he lost that election! :2wave:

I guess the thread is too subtle for you; I KNOW he didn't GET elected, it is an argument about why he is not QUALIFIED for the job. DER :roll:

But thank you once again for illustrating how you seldom comprehend what is written before you go on your typical Liberal rants. :2wave:
 
How do you figure to a lesser extent? What evidence do you have to make this claim.


Racism =/= political affiliation.
I think there's less racism in the Democratic party because many racists jumped ship to the Republican party in the 60's, because of integration issues. I do think it's dying out in both parties, but since there were more racists in the Republican party, it's taking longer.


Now you asked me about why I think there are so few?


Most black folk live in urban areas which are historically democrat. The leaders, teachers, voices, of the "Black community" are predominatly left wing.


The same way Utah is predominatly republican.... It is not like republicans are systematically preventing them from running.


no racism, it is what it is.

But there are still blacks in rural areas, especially in the south, and they still vote Democrat. The same holds true of blacks in the suburbs. I think there has to be more to explain this than as weak of a reason as "they're urban." And why do you think all of their leaders are Democrats, especially considering that MLK and the like were originally Republican?

And I am chalking it up to racism, so don't worry.
 
So blacks have been manipulated, and don't really know what's best for them. is that what you're saying?

That's funny...interesting that a lefty would come up with such an interpretation.

Of course that's not what I meant. Why would blacks become Republicans when the other party is willing to blame whites for their failure to graduate from high school, have illegit babies, and commit crime or when the other party proposes billions in annual budget dollars in handouts for minority this and minority that or when those blacks that do become Republicans are characterized as race traitors and "Uncle Toms?"

Look at Michael Steele's campaign in Maryland. The state's blacks abandoned him in favor of an old white guy who was a Democrat. Steele's proposals were conservative. Yet, blacks still wouldn't vote for him.

Why do you think that was?

There's no specific race-based benefits coming from the GOP as there are from Democrats.
 
I think there's less racism in the Democratic party because many racists jumped ship to the Republican party in the 60's, because of integration issues. I do think it's dying out in both parties, but since there were more racists in the Republican party, it's taking longer.

Thanks for the totally irrelevant gut feeling. :roll:

But there are still blacks in rural areas, especially in the south, and they still vote Democrat. The same holds true of blacks in the suburbs. I think there has to be more to explain this than as weak of a reason as "they're urban." And why do you think all of their leaders are Democrats, especially considering that MLK and the like were originally Republican?

And I am chalking it up to racism, so don't worry.

Why? Because, according to you, 50 years ago many racists jumped to the GOP and you think it's taking longer for racism to die out among Republicans?

Excellent argument. :roll:

Now we know that you're intellectually dishonest.
 
That's funny...interesting that a lefty would come up with such an interpretation.

Of course that's not what I meant. Why would blacks become Republicans when the other party is willing to blame whites for their failure to graduate from high school, have illegit babies, and commit crime or when the other party proposes billions in annual budget dollars in handouts for minority this and minority that or when those blacks that do become Republicans are characterized as race traitors and "Uncle Toms?"

Look at Michael Steele's campaign in Maryland. The state's blacks abandoned him in favor of an old white guy who was a Democrat. Steele's proposals were conservative. Yet, blacks still wouldn't vote for him.

Why do you think that was?

There's no specific race-based benefits coming from the GOP as there are from Democrats.

Why should Black democrats have voted for Steele, just because of his skin color?

Also, you original post said that "The vast majority of blacks are ideologically and socially incompaitable with the implementation of laws and government policies that preserve as mush personal freedom as possible"

You didn't address anything concerning this in your second post. You seem to be baiting and switching...
 
I think there's less racism in the Democratic party because many racists jumped ship to the Republican party in the 60's, because of integration issues. I do think it's dying out in both parties, but since there were more racists in the Republican party, it's taking longer.


Really? anything to back this up, or is this just a feeling?



But there are still blacks in rural areas, especially in the south, and they still vote Democrat. The same holds true of blacks in the suburbs. I think there has to be more to explain this than as weak of a reason as "they're urban." And why do you think all of their leaders are Democrats, especially considering that MLK and the like were originally Republican?

And I am chalking it up to racism, so don't worry.


Oh yes the whole civil rights thing eventually made it more likley for blacks to vote democrat, this I agree....



But your chalking it up in todays world to racism, is, well, dumb.


unless you have proof.
 
Thanks for the totally irrelevant gut feeling. :roll:



Why? Because, according to you, 50 years ago many racists jumped to the GOP and you think it's taking longer for racism to die out among Republicans?

Excellent argument. :roll:

Now we know that you're intellectually dishonest.

By the way, I meant to say "I'm not chalking it up to racism"

Why would it take longer to die out with the party with more racists? Many of those people are still alive, and many others have passed it on to their children. What's dishonest about this? And are you denying that the Southern Strategy appealed to racist whites?
 
You didn't address anything concerning this in your second post. You seem to be baiting and switching...
I answered your question. You answer mine:

Why is it that --you-- think there are so few blacks in the GOP?
 
Why would it take longer to die out with the party with more racists? Many of those people are still alive, and many others have passed it on to their children. What's dishonest about this? And are you denying that the Southern Strategy appealed to racist whites?

I see, your only interest is calling anyone self-id'ing as GOP a racist. Got it. :roll:

I am not accepting your mere gut feeling that the GOP has more racists as fact.

90% of blacks self-id as Democrat. Is there really any surprise then that black GOP candidates are rarely elected?
 
Really? anything to back this up, or is this just a feeling?

It was Nixon's Southern Strategy. Will you take the words of Lee Atwater?

"Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he’s campaigned on since 1964… and that’s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps...?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can't say “nigger”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

Impossible, Ridiculous, Repugnant - New York Times


Oh yes the whole civil rights thing eventually made it more likley for blacks to vote democrat, this I agree....



But your chalking it up in todays world to racism, is, well, dumb.


unless you have proof.

That was a typo. I meant to say that i don't think racism is a large factor today, but that it was historically. The reason there's so few elected blacks is that so few run, because there are so few black republicans, and that's what I'm trying to get viewpoints on. Though there is still some racism there... if you remember, Katon Dawson, Steele's main opponent, had to quite a "Whites Only" country club before he ran for the chair.
 
By the way, I meant to say "I'm not chalking it up to racism"


:lol: well that changes everything..... My tone was based on you saying it was. :lol:


Why would it take longer to die out with the party with more racists? Many of those people are still alive, and many others have passed it on to their children. What's dishonest about this? And are you denying that the Southern Strategy appealed to racist whites?



I guess I do not have such a bleak world view as you.

I have seen just as much racism in NYC as I have in Georgia.....


dem rep is not a factor imo.
 
and that's what I'm trying to get viewpoints on. Though there is still some racism there... if you remember, Katon Dawson, Steele's main opponent, had to quite a "Whites Only" country club before he ran for the chair.

What can't you get through your thick skull? Why can't you even slightly consider the possibility that perhaps color doesn't matter?

It ain't Republicans sitting around trying to come with new and exciting ways to carve out new racial classifications, insisting on maintaining existing racial classifications, developing policies that impose those racial classifications on us, etc., etc. Couldn't it be simply that while the Democrats annually propose doling out hundreds of millions and even billions to minorities while the GOP does not that blacks might just see an advantage to supporting Democrats?

Despite blacks aligning with the GOP on school choice and vouchers, abortion, and many other socio-cultural issues, they still vote lock-step Democratic.
 
I answered your question. You answer mine:

Why is it that --you-- think there are so few blacks in the GOP?

I think it's a slew of reasons. For one, culture. So many blacks are Democrat because so many blacks are Democrats. It's self reinforcing. And they all became Democrats because of the Southern Strategy.

I think also because so many blacks are poor, and they see Democrats positions more often helping out the poor. Even if a black person isn't poor, many of them were a generation or two ago, and black churches often harp on social duty to the poor.

And because Democrats are usually the ones pushing anti-discrimination bills, and regardless of if they're needed, Blacks see them as needed. This goes for AA, as well as hiring laws.

And lastly, the urban divide, I will admit, is a huge part of it. Many blacks do live in the inner city. And if you have a candidate that wants to improve public transportation, which you take, or a Highway, which you barely ever use, which will you vote for?
 
I see, your only interest is calling anyone self-id'ing as GOP a racist. Got it. :roll:

I am not accepting your mere gut feeling that the GOP has more racists as fact.

90% of blacks self-id as Democrat. Is there really any surprise then that black GOP candidates are rarely elected?

What is your thoughts on how the Southern Strategy affects the GOP today?
 
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