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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    I was gone all weekend, so forgive me if I'm responding to a lot of people at once...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Republican Party was started by anti-slavery politicians, Einstein. On the other hand you've got a KKK member in your party.
    Technically, he's been an ex-KKK member for many decades now, and has publically repudated the klan. Let's try to have some honesty. and remind me why Trent Lott lost his Senate Leadership position...

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    While there are things I disagree with Steele on, I am extatic about this pick, and never agree with anyone in full anyway. I think the GOP has a terrific chairman in the making.
    What makes him so terrific? He lost his election for Governor... he doesn't have any genius strategy like Dean... what makes you think he'd be effective at the job?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You have to pick yourself up and correct mistakes when you lose an election by these margins, hopefully this will be the start of a real conservative resurgence, one that appeals to people who believe in the fundamentals of our constitution and liberties, if the Republicans don't regroup with the right mindset then the next election cycle will be ugly.
    I also always wondered. Why is it that Republicans always accuse Democrats of being "too left", but want to draw their party away from the center? It always seemed a double standard to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    As for Steele being made Chairman I see it as a good thing. Now if the GOP can get its **** together by 2010 we might be able to put a check in Obama's power.
    what makes you think Steele is that guy? He hasn't shown any indication that he'd be especially good at fundraising or winning elections.

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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    The Democrats don't like the idea of some uppity Uncle Tom running the Republican Party. It don't look good for the racism business.
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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Democrats don't like the idea of some uppity Uncle Tom running the Republican Party. It don't look good for the racism business.
    You are on a race baiting roll today.
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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Like I said, some consider him a RINO:



    Steele: GOP should reach out to gay, pro-choice voters | Video Cafe


    No complaint from me on this. Just backing up a point.
    I like Steele well enough but I reject this mindset. For every "moderate" you might get, you're gonna lose someone from the base if the GOP starts sucking up to pro-gay marriage/pro-abortion groups. Republicans, imo, can't take the base for granted.

    How do you reach out to a group that goes against your principles without compromising those principles?

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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

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    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Technically, he's been an ex-KKK member for many decades now, and has publically repudated the klan. Let's try to have some honesty. and remind me why Trent Lott lost his Senate Leadership position...
    Byrd is ex-klan, but in unguarded moments he still has quite a few racist blips here and there.


    What makes him so terrific? He lost his election for Governor... he doesn't have any genius strategy like Dean... what makes you think he'd be effective at the job?
    A) he rallies people well, we need an energetic grass roots movement like the last time, for whatever issues those like myself disagree with Steele on, we'll take the reigns on those. B) with more enthusiasm comes more donations, which the Republicans lost with the spineless bunch we had the last couple of years. C) You're bringing up Dean, a psychotic, loudmouth, former governer with multiple failed attempts at higher office as an example of brilliance? Does not compute.



    I also always wondered. Why is it that Republicans always accuse Democrats of being "too left", but want to draw their party away from the center? It always seemed a double standard to me.
    I don't want us to be left at all, if the constitution forbids something we need to tell those suggesting said change to stick it......the problem is the spineless Rebublicans I mentioned earlier that think going to the center wins elections.
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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    I like Steele well enough but I reject this mindset. For every "moderate" you might get, you're gonna lose someone from the base if the GOP starts sucking up to pro-gay marriage/pro-abortion groups. Republicans, imo, can't take the base for granted.

    How do you reach out to a group that goes against your principles without compromising those principles?

    Well, these are my 2 issues where I break with conservatives a bit. I don't see the harm in reaching out to gays. I know a few gays who've always identified themselves as democrat, but they really lean conservative. Steele does not support gay marriage (nor does Obama, but the gay community tends to forget that), but that doesn't mean gays don't have a home with the GOP for the larger issues.

    I don't see why the base needs to die on this mountain to be honest. There are much greater issues we need to address. I just cannot see rejecting homosexuality to the extent that your base numbers dwindle, and you're turning away great people who happen to love the same sex.

    As far as pro-choice goes, it's really time we defined where the party stands so that everyone knows. Many are under the impression that republicans just want to take away women's rights to abortion. I think the majority of party leaders don't even want to mess w/R v W. But where we differ from Dems is PBA. If that were defined better, I think we'd see a lot more "leans pro-choice" coming over to our party. Right now we are defined (in part) as anti-gay and anti-choice when that's really not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Well, these are my 2 issues where I break with conservatives a bit. I don't see the harm in reaching out to gays. I know a few gays who've always identified themselves as democrat, but they really lean conservative. Steele does not support gay marriage (nor does Obama, but the gay community tends to forget that), but that doesn't mean gays don't have a home with the GOP for the larger issues.

    I don't see why the base needs to die on this mountain to be honest. There are much greater issues we need to address. I just cannot see rejecting homosexuality to the extent that your base numbers dwindle, and you're turning away great people who happen to love the same sex.

    As far as pro-choice goes, it's really time we defined where the party stands so that everyone knows. Many are under the impression that republicans just want to take away women's rights to abortion. I think the majority of party leaders don't even want to mess w/R v W. But where we differ from Dems is PBA. If that were defined better, I think we'd see a lot more "leans pro-choice" coming over to our party. Right now we are defined (in part) as anti-gay and anti-choice when that's really not the case.

    I don't know, SUC. I don't think the bolded part is true at all. While I don't think most Republicans are against all abortions, no matter the case, like Keyes, I think they're against most abortions and PBAs are a small percentage of those. I think most people who oppose abortion are willing to die on that hill because they equate the practice with murder and find it extremely distasteful to compromise. The whole "it's a child, not a choice" thing.

    From the 2008 Republican platform ...

    Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.....At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Values.htm#5

    I think like Rush Limbaugh. Once you start trying to appeal to groups of people (often "victims") instead of just Americans, you start losing people and that's also the Democrats' game. What's a way to reach out to gays if their "issue" is gay marriage? Don't the Republicans already reach out to fiscally conservative gays when they cut taxes? Or security-minded gays when they're strong on national security?

    I have neighbors who have left the party becaue they think the GOP is too soft on the issue of life, for example. Ron Paul was their candidate and now they often vote for the Constitution Party. (Which is funny since I saw someone who claims to be an "independent" in another thread here thinks Libertarians or maybe Ron Paul are an escape from all of the religious "whackos." Ain't true. )
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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

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    Michael Steele hates black people.
    Wait those wer my words or were you taking me out of contexts...


    Lets be clear.


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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post

    I think like Rush Limbaugh. Once you start trying to appeal to groups of people (often "victims") instead of just Americans, you start losing people and that's also the Democrats' game. What's a way to reach out to gays if their "issue" is gay marriage? Don't the Republicans already reach out to fiscally conservative gays when they cut taxes? Or security-minded gays when they're strong on national security?

    It's hard to decipher what Steele means by reaching out to gays since he does not support gay marriage. But I do believe that republicans have the reputation (whether deserved or not) for not recognizing the gay community in a positive light. I'm not talking about the freaks but the regular Joes and Josephines. I have no problem reaching out to groups and saying, 'hey, there's stuff here for you, too!" I don't see that as pandering, I see that as good PR.

    It may be that you & I live in completely different areas of the country, but I know noone who is staunchly pro-life. Somehow I got myself on these survey lists, and I constantly get calls from various political groups asking 1 or 2 questions. Last week, someone called (I can't even remember what group they were from, but I remember it sounded like a conservative group). All they asked if I consider myself pro-life, pro-choice or leaning somewhat pro-choice. I answered the latter. Do republicans see that a huge enough majority lean that way that this issue has to be addressed within the party? Are they sensing that pro-lifers may not be the biggest part of the base? I don't know.

    I see what you're saying about relaxing the core beliefs. To me the core is smaller gov't, strong military, family values (I know I'll get slammed for that), tax cuts, 2nd amendment and business-friendly laws/regulations (anti-regulations actually). I don't see that gay issues (good or bad) should be at our core beliefs. Gov't should not be in the business of deciding on private matters. You've got me on the pro-life stance, though. It's something I'm very much torn about. I could take the easy way out and say it's a state isssue.
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    Re: Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

    Can't anyone just let someone do their job before blasting them? Maybe he did get picked because he was black and maybe he didn't- it's irrelevant. Give the guy a chance, I think it will be good for the Republican party. I think they need something fresh and if this guy can bring it, good for him. Let's see how he does first and then judge him. Bringing up that point, I find it funny how some people are blasting Obama already and then others are complaining he's only been in charge a couple weeks- Steele has just become the chairman- please apply that same thinking to him before you talk stuff. Or just pick and choose your outrage, whatever.

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