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    Aid trucks stranded at Egypt's Gaza border

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    Wait a minute. So, Israel has to open the border and if they don't, they get roundly condemned by the world and the Arab apologists on this board.

    RAFAH, Egypt More than two dozen trucks loaded with food, aid and goods intended for the Gaza Strip were stranded on the Egyptian side of the border Thursday, leaving truckers with little to do but sip tea and exude frustration.
    He blamed the aid shortage on the lack of access to Gaza and demanded that the border crossings be opened.
    But, when Egypt does it, it is either OK, or it is somehow Israel's fault too.

    BTW, Israel's borders are open.

    Israeli Cabinet Minister Isaac Herzog told The Associated Press this week that Israel was letting in the maximum amount of aid that the Palestinians in Gaza can absorb about 150 trucks per day.

    Israel closed its crossings Tuesday after a bomb attack on the Gaza-Israel border killed an Israeli soldier. The Israeli military said the border was later reopened, and 174 trucks were let through on Wednesday and 149 on Thursday.
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    Re: Aid trucks stranded at Egypt's Gaza border

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Wait a minute. So, Israel has to open the border and if they don't, they get roundly condemned by the world and the Arab apologists on this board.

    But, when Egypt does it, it is either OK, or it is somehow Israel's fault too.

    BTW, Israel's borders are open.

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    Not exactly the whole truth in that article. This one sheds a bit more light on the situation.

    Israel delays aid trucks from Egypt to Gaza - International Herald Tribune

    Problem 1: Egypt refuses to allow aid to travel through Rafa. They insist that aid goes into Israel first and then into Gaza. Typical Egyptian confusion and disorganisation, resulting in no one knows why the Egyptian side of the border crossing is being held closed.

    Problem 2: Israel refuses to allow aid to flow freely from Israel into Gaza. Demands all aid and goods are packed in a specific way, and only opens the border crossings at a very limited time during the week. Something that the AP article did not mention...

    Result: Next to no aid gets through.

    Question is why AP is blaming Egypt without mentioned the issues that Israel is creating... oh well.

    But what is rather funny is the self censorship of the NYT

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/wo...t/28egypt.html

    Headline "At a Border Crossing, Drivers and Truckloads of Aid for Gaza Go Nowhere"

    In their international version.. the IHT the headline is

    "Israel delays aid trucks from Egypt to Gaza"

    The 2 articles seem exactly the same. And they say that there is no bias towards Israel in the US media.
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    Re: Aid trucks stranded at Egypt's Gaza border

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not exactly the whole truth in that article. This one sheds a bit more light on the situation.

    Israel delays aid trucks from Egypt to Gaza - International Herald Tribune

    Problem 1: Egypt refuses to allow aid to travel through Rafa. They insist that aid goes into Israel first and then into Gaza. Typical Egyptian confusion and disorganisation, resulting in no one knows why the Egyptian side of the border crossing is being held closed.


    So, are you admitting that no trucks are getting through on the Egyptian side? Because some 150 are getting through each day on the Israeli side.

    Problem 2: Israel refuses to allow aid to flow freely from Israel into Gaza. Demands all aid and goods are packed in a specific way, and only opens the border crossings at a very limited time during the week. Something that the AP article did not mention...


    As well they should so it can be inspected before crossing the border to ensure there are no weapons or explosive devises that can be used by Hamas terrorists illegally in control of Hamas. Even so, some 150 trucks are getting through.

    Result: Next to no aid gets through.


    According to the article in the OP, Israel is letting some 150 trucks each day though. That is apparently some 150 more than Egypt is letting through.

    Question is why AP is blaming Egypt without mentioned the issues that Israel is creating... oh well.
    Israel is creating issues on the Egyptian border?

    But what is rather funny is the self censorship of the NYT



    There is so much spin in your post, I am getting dizzy. Now, go and enjoy your all-Spanish Australian Open semi-final and let the serious discussion move forward.
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    Re: Aid trucks stranded at Egypt's Gaza border

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post


    So, are you admitting that no trucks are getting through on the Egyptian side? Because some 150 are getting through each day on the Israeli side.
    Are you sure? And did you read what the source said... the Israeli source. He said and I quote.

    Israeli Cabinet Minister Isaac Herzog told The Associated Press this week that Israel was letting in the maximum amount of aid that the Palestinians in Gaza can absorb about 150 trucks per day.
    Interesting formulation no? They are letting in the maximum amount of aid that the Palestinians can absorb according to the Israelis...... now what does that exactly mean? That the Israelis have made up their minds that only 150 trucks a day is what the humanitarian organisations and the Palestinians can handle, or is that what the humanitarian organisations and the Palestinians have said they can handle. You have to admit that, this distinction is rather critical.

    But there are conflicting reports and the only source to mention this number are the Israelis. On the other hand, there is eye witness reports that say next to no trucks are being let in.

    Plus in the story itself there is a contradiction from the Israeli Military it self.
    Israel closed its crossings Tuesday after a bomb attack on the Gaza-Israel border killed an Israeli soldier. The Israeli military said the border was later reopened, and 174 trucks were let through on Wednesday and 149 on Thursday.
    If the "poor Palestinians" can handle more than 150 trucks, then how could Israel let 174 trucks in one day?

    From a just a biased source we get the following comment.

    IRIN Middle East | Middle East | Israel OPT | ISRAEL-OPT: Aid reaching Gaza, but is it enough? | Early Warning Food Security Aid Policy | News Item
    Israel says 453 trucks entered Gaza 18-23 January, but only about half of them carried humanitarian aid - not nearly enough for 1.5 million Gazans, say UN agencies and international aid groups.
    453 trucks over 5 days... aint 150 trucks a day.

    And this little thing

    Of the 100-120 trucks permitted to enter per day, some 37-40 are for UNRWA, about half are for commercial goods such as meat and nappies, and the remainder are for other aid agencies, said Ging, who pointed out that before June 2007 Israel permitted 500-600 trucks to enter daily.
    So now it is 100-120 trucks.. or is it 150 trucks? Why let 170+ trucks in?

    And what crossings are we talking about btw... Is the Karni crossing open? I doubt it some how...

    So who is telling the truth? I personally dont trust anyone in the region, Hamas, Israel, Egypt or any other Arab nation. Too much conflict of interest in every single comment and action.

    But regardless of that, 150 trucks is no where near enough to get in the aid that is needed to rebuild after the Israeli destruction of the little Gaza infrastructure there was.



    As well they should so it can be inspected before crossing the border to ensure there are no weapons or explosive devises that can be used by Hamas terrorists illegally in control of Hamas. Even so, some 150 trucks are getting through.
    Of course they should, but knowing mid-east efficiency I doubt very much that the truck drivers are aware of these conditions.

    But regardless of this, the very idea to impose certain restrictions on packaging and other restrictions on transporting goods is a well know and often used technique to delay trade, regardless of war or not. And since we must assume that Israel also requires UN aid trucks to be packed this way, then they are slowing aid delivery down.



    According to the article in the OP, Israel is letting some 150 trucks each day though. That is apparently some 150 more than Egypt is letting through.
    No according to the article, the Israelis are claiming that 150 trucks are being let in each day. Yes it is more than the Egyptians, and I am just as critical as you about the Egyptian response. But I also know that the Israelis will, and have delayed transit through the Egyptian-Gaza border crossings, because guess what... the Israelis also have some control over those crossings and no one, and nothing gets through without Israeli okay.

    And again, it is according to the Israelis, and not backed up by other sources... hell not even backed up by the Israelis themselves, which is ironic.

    Israel is creating issues on the Egyptian border?
    They have before, but I aint saying they are so far this time. The Egyptians are at fault big time for not letting aid in via Egypt, but that does not excuse the Israeli's for there "slow" pace of letting trucks in either. Why is there a limit on how many trucks are allowed in? Security? But all trucks have to be searched and scanned.... then why?

    There is so much spin in your post, I am getting dizzy. Now, go and enjoy your all-Spanish Australian Open semi-final and let the serious discussion move forward.
    What spin? You are the one spining that it is all the Egyptians fault without mentioning that there is just as much spin and fault on the Israeli-Gaza border. Only difference is there is actually coming a small trickle of aid through there.

    My point is while attacking the Egyptians or Palestinians on the situation, one should not forget to examine the Israeli side too and put any criticism that is justified against the Israelis too.

    And I dont watch tennis.
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