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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm going to PM the Cap'n his name, and he can verify that everything I've said is true.

    I don't know how they did it, but they did. It's legal. He's going.

    why would anyone need his name?


    i asked you what one would need to know and no personal info is needed.


    You would need to pm him the case and its ruling.,.....



    Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:

    "Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."



    Read this.... unless the court and the recruiter lied to the Army, there is no way that he was ordered by the court to go to the military or go to jail..... and if he was, he would then be instantly ineligable by the army to be accepted.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    That would suck if after he got back and the law wasn't in his favor and he still had to fix his legal issues. Maybe you should make sure its legal and he's going to get exactly what he asked for in the end. (If it hasn't already been verified and not just told.)
    When he gets back, he'll be grown up. These charges won't matter anymore.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    why would anyone need his name?


    i asked you what one would need to know and no personal info is needed.


    You would need to pm him the case and its ruling.,.....



    Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:

    "Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."



    Read this.... unless the court and the recruiter lied to the Army, there is no way that he was ordered by the court to go to the military or go to jail..... and if he was, he would then be instantly ineligable by the military to be accepted.

    He's already "accepted".
    He's in.
    His probation officer (he was already on probation before this latest arrest) is the one who got him this deal.
    Nobody lied to anyone. Everything is legal.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    It's legal.
    I shouldn't have said he didn't want to go.
    Nobody's forced him to enlist. He got to pick the branch and everything.
    It's legal.
    10 you're absolutely right in this. The Rev is wrong. I'm not sure why he thinks it is so unusual for someone to get a waiver for a crime so as to enlist in the military. I personally know several people this has happened to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    10 you're absolutely right in this. The Rev is wrong. I'm not sure why he thinks it is so unusual for someone to get a waiver for a crime so as to enlist in the military. I personally know several people this has happened to.
    God, he's scaring me to death.
    I should never have said anything about it on the public boards.
    I don't want anything to hurt his chances.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    why would anyone need his name?
    Because then they could verify that what I say is true.
    There's a record of his arrest, of his charges being suspended, and of his joining the military, isn't there?
    The Cap'n's some kind of therapist for teens; he could access these records if he wanted to. And he would never do anything to hurt us, because he's ethical.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    God, he's scaring me to death.
    I should never have said anything about it on the public boards.
    I don't want anything to hurt his chances.
    First: There isn't **** Rev could do. I believe he's retired now and was in the Air Force so chances that he could actually do anything are slim to none, and slim just left town.

    Second: If the offense was small enough that your kid could be given the option to join the military then there is no doubt he could get a waiver for it. This is extremely common.

    Third: In the information Rev is citing really just means that your kid can't be forced to join the military. Like straight from the Court House to Basic. Once your kid was sentenced he was done "awaiting civil action." Your son's sentence (most likely) is suspended. Meaning he doesn't have to do anything. Within a certain time though, if he is not in the military he would go to jail. But since he's already enlisted he won't be.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Well, back to my original point: stories like the one in the OP are scary to me right now.

    I hope basic training will do something to prepare him for whatever the future holds.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    omg that is so made up....


    promoted for lying... please link it or it never happened.





    man the stories that get spun when it comes to the military around here.
    The Raw Story | Army recruiter threatened teen with jail for not enlisting
    According to Greenblatt, when KHOU found the same tactics being used three years ago, the story became a national scandal and the military promised its recruiters would be retrained. "It seems someone didn't learn their lessons," Greenblatt reports. The officer involved in that earlier incident was even promoted to be a station commander, responsible for training and supervising other recruiters.
    That ties to the same story that someone linked the video to...

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    10 you're absolutely right in this. The Rev is wrong. I'm not sure why he thinks it is so unusual for someone to get a waiver for a crime so as to enlist in the military. I personally know several people this has happened to.
    My brother had that--joined the Navy.

    They suspend the charges and then drop them. It's part of the bargaining to determine what he might be charged with--and then charges are never actually filed. At least that's how I understand it. It's not being "forced" it's giving them a choice.

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