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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    You continue to appear stupid and hateful of our military men and women. The God Damned terrorists are not innocents. The true source of the depression and suicides is much, much deeper than your mental capacity. As a veteran I COULD try to explain what it all feels like, but I`m guessing that you really don`t give a s**t. You are a bleeding heart liberal. **** YOU!
    There is a distinction that you seem to have missed.

    It's not the killing of combatants that would haunt a man near as much as killing someone that you KNEW was innocent.

    I mean if someone is aiming to kill you, it's you or him at that point... but to a 'bleeding heart liberal' even the thought of killing someone in self-defense would scar tham... even though it was justified.

    Is it not possible to have pride in the soldiers that are fighting and dying in the name of the country while at the same time despising how wrong the conflict in which they are engaged in is??

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    I think it's mostly the lax training standards. Obviously, even the toughest SOBs can suffer from PTSD but if you weed out the real non-hackers before they go to combat there are less people you have to worry about becoming potential suicide risks. I saw it a lot while I was in the Marines. Individuals you could never even imagine being in the Marines were infantrymen who patrolled the streets of Iraq. I'm talking absolutely, unbelievably out of shape and emotionally sensitive people who had no business whatsoever in the Marines, much less the Marine infantry.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    There is a distinction that you seem to have missed.

    It's not the killing of combatants that would haunt a man near as much as killing someone that you KNEW was innocent.
    Take it from a real soldier and LEO: it does not make a difference. Taking a life is hard even if he/she deserved it. It will affect you adversly either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I mean if someone is aiming to kill you, it's you or him at that point... but to a 'bleeding heart liberal' even the thought of killing someone in self-defense would scar tham... even though it was justified.
    Why would a "bleeding heart liberal" join the the US armed forces in the middle of a shooting war? They should not even be in the service at all. Soldiers like that get others killed.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Is it not possible to have pride in the soldiers that are fighting and dying in the name of the country while at the same time despising how wrong the conflict in which they are engaged in is??
    It is possible. The problem is people like Dirtpoorchris is they despise the troops as well. This is the case far to often in the mind of an ultra left leaning liberal.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    BBC NEWS | Americas | US army suicides hit record high



    Damn shame. These soldiers need improved support. Or hell, better psychological screening for those who can't hack it. I'm not as wise on the subject as some here probably are so I don't know.
    What is that civillian rate. gee, they left that out.



    And you are right, you don't know. your speculation on who can hack it is specious at best.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is why I have no problem with spending more on veterans for things like post war reentry programs and therapy, what really irks me is that we give prisoners more options than veterans and that is not right, we reward the scum and don't pay attention to those heros who put it all on the line. What I don't like about the reporting on this is it reads like a "gotcha" from a paper biased against the last administration, instead it should bring in people who's opinions can determine the problem and help eliminate or at least alleviate it, instead of using soldier tragedies as a political tool.
    I just joined the American Legion two days ago. They lobby for veterans sevices and veterans rights. Unfortunately the media and our schools (mostly colleges/universities)paint a darker picture for their liberal audiences. We ,,"The drunk, junky ,poor ,homeless, deadbeat veteran",are bad people. A SHAME....

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    I think that soldiers are killing themselves because they are watching conspiracy videos with great details and credibility, and they see themselves as to have fought in vain, and that they have been fooled by the government...

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    I think that soldiers are killing themselves because they are watching conspiracy videos with great details and credibility, and they see themselves as to have fought in vain, and that they have been fooled by the government...

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    This would be a rather silly assesment of reality.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What is that civillian rate. gee, they left that out.



    And you are right, you don't know. your speculation on who can hack it is specious at best.
    When did I say who can hack it? I simply stated that people who can't hack it (which does happen given the suicides) could and probably should be given a more stringent testing/training before being put in a highly stressful combat situation. I mean, there are people who've been in the military speaking here and they've just made my mind up for me. Again, I didn't say WHO could hack it but simply that a lot of people obviously can't.

    And the suicide rate is adjusted to proportion between the two, I believe. And the BBC is a highly respected news source nationally run by a highly pro-US government - I doubt they'd 'make it up'.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    When did I say who can hack it? I simply stated that people who can't hack it (which does happen given the suicides) could and probably should be given a more stringent testing/training before being put in a highly stressful combat situation. I mean, there are people who've been in the military speaking here and they've just made my mind up for me. Again, I didn't say WHO could hack it but simply that a lot of people obviously can't.

    And the suicide rate is adjusted to proportion between the two, I believe. And the BBC is a highly respected news source nationally run by a highly pro-US government - I doubt they'd 'make it up'.


    I see. "a lot of people" can't hack it? what percentage?



    See Military suicide is an issue. it is not an issue of "people cant hack it", nor is it fair to compare the rates to civillians, even though it is usually lower....


    and the BBC is a left wing source. it is shoddy journaljizm to post an "article" that makes a claim without any actual numbers....
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Does it matter what percentage? What matters is that over a hundred military personnel felt sufficiently unfit for their duty and the support given that they killed themselves. It is not an issue of figures but rather an issue of 'why is a soldier more likely to kill himself than a normal citizen?' and then to find the best possible solution to that. This is not a pandemic, don't get me wrong, but it should be rooted out and solved.

    BBC a left-wing source? Dude, seriously? They wouldn't even air an aid appeal for Gazan's because it might affect their impartial stance. It's not anything - it has pro-left and right-wing and opinion columns and impartial articles.
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