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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Chapter 4
    Waiver and Nonwaiver Enlistment Criteria
    Section I
    Waiver and Nonwaiver Disqualifications

    4–1. General
    This section contains waiver and nonwaiver enlistment criteria and prescribes procedures to initiate and process a
    request for waiver to meet basic enlistment qualifications.
    4–2. Moral and administrative disqualifications
    a. Commanders at all levels determine if waiver requests warrant favorable consideration through—
    (1) Questioning.
    (2) Investigating.
    (3) Counseling.
    (4) Gathering proper documents and waiver request information.
    b. Recruiters do not have the authority to disapprove a waiver request or to refuse to forward an applicant’s request.
    c. Applicants who do not meet established enlistment standards are not eligible for enlistment unless a waiver is
    authorized. Commanders cited in this regulation have the authority to approve waivers as appropriate. The burden is on
    the applicant to prove to waiver authorities that he or she has overcome their disqualifications for enlistment and that
    their acceptance would be in the best interests of the Army. Waiver authorities will apply the “whole person” concept
    when considering waiver applications.
    d. Applicants having tattoos will be screened in accordance with AR 670–1.
    e. Suitability will be determined by the following:
    (1) Applicants with a criminal history (regardless of disposition) or questionable moral character, but because of
    dismissed charges, plea bargains, or release without prosecution, must have a suitability review for determination of
    enlistment. Reviewer will determine if a personal interview with the applicant is required, and, if so, may be
    accomplished telephonically. Approval will be annotated on the DD Form 1966 remarks section with a review date,
    name and title of reviewer.

    (a) Suitability review will be conducted on the following charges prior to any moral waiver processing on all
    applicants (the appropriate review level is also noted):
    1. One or more serious offense, regardless of disposition (Recruiting Company Leadership Team or equivalent
    member of the ARNG).
    2. Six or more minor traffic convictions where the fine was $250 or more per offense (Recruiting Company
    Leadership Team or equivalent member of the ARNG).
    3. Five or more minor non-traffic charges (Recruiting Company Leadership Team or equivalent member of the
    ARNG).
    4. Two or more misdemeanor charges (Recruiting Battalion Leadership Team or equivalent member of the ARNG).
    5. Combination of four or more minor non-traffic or misdemeanor charges (Recruiting Battalion Leadership Team or
    equivalent member of the ARNG).
    6. One serious criminal misconduct charge, regardless of disposition (Recruiting Battalion Leadership Team).
    7. Any offenses requiring a suitability review and the appropriate approval level are set out in paragraph 4–11.
    Domestic battery/violence charge, includes but is not limited to, charge(s) of domestic violence, assault, simple assault,
    assault and battery, battery, assault with the intent to commit bodily harm, assault on a person, or abuse by an applicant
    against his/her parent, step-parent, sister, or brother, regardless of disposition. Recruiting Battalion Leadership Team
    will forward all such cases to USAREC Waivers or DARNG for review if determined that they fall under the
    Lautenberg Amendment.
    8. Domestic battery/violence charge as defined under Lautenberg law, regardless of disposition (see definition in
    paragraph 4–7f) (CG, USAREC or DARNG).
    9. When it is reported (either by visual sighting or annotated on the DD 2807/2808) through a tattoo, behavior,
    verbal or written communication, appearance, or gestures that an individual is or may be involved with an extremist
    organization, group, or gang, the following procedures will be used to determine eligibility:
    a. The commander must ensure from a series of direct and indirect questions that the applicant is in fact given fair
    assessment and determination without personal bias or predetermined outcome.

    AR 601–210 • 7 June 2007 31
    b. A person who admits to or is determined to have been associated with or in a gang linked to criminal or extremist
    activity will be questioned concerning the involvement. The fact that a person has been in a gang may not be grounds
    for disqualification. The whole person concept must be applied. Criminal background, commander interview, and
    potential for meeting Army standards must be reviewed.
    (b) Court documents are required for misdemeanor, serious offenses, and serious criminal misconduct charges.
    (2) Any applicant who is denied enlistment because of questionable moral character will have the denial information
    forwarded via e-mail to USAREC–G3, RO Waivers or DARNG for member of the ARNG.
    f. Applicants enlisting in the DEP/DTP/DS or ARNG who conceal charges that require a waiver will be discharged.
    All DEP/ DTP/DS or ARNG applicants discharged under this paragraph will incur a 6-month waiting period from date
    of separation orders and require a fraudulent enlistment waiver from the recruiting battalion commander along with any
    additional waivers as noted in this chapter. The waiting period is for administrative and evaluation purposes. Any
    applicant enlisting in the DEP/DTP/DS or ARNG who conceals charges not requiring a waiver will be reviewed in
    accordance with the following:
    (1) Applicants enlisting in the DEP (RA or USAR)/DS who conceal a charge or charges that do not require a waiver
    or USAREC review can be retained and authorized to ship by the Recruiting Brigade Commander or equivalent ARNG
    commander.
    (2) Discharge authority for DTP or ARNG Soldiers who fraudulently enlist is the same as approval authority
    authorized to retain USAR or ARNG Soldiers.
    (3) The Brigade Commander (may be delegated to Brigade DCO) may grant an exception to retain in the DEP a
    future Solider who requires a waiver as a result of unintentionally concealed information. The term “unintentional” is
    used to allow those cases in which an error or the FS admitted to charges but may have not used the technically correct
    term, or there were “stacked” charges (related to and part of the same offense) that was omitted unintentionally. This
    authority does not include any excuse such as “it was expunged, dismissed, dropped, my lawyer told me not to reveal
    or a judge told me I had no record”, these excuses are not valid in that USAREC will require each applicant to
    acknowledge that they were not told to conceal charges for these reasons, and the applicant will both in writing and
    verbally acknowledge they have not withheld any information based on these reasons. The Brigade Commander or
    DCO will determine if the applicant intentionally concealed information and if that determination is affirmative, then
    discharge must occur.


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    Thank you Felicity.
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    Undoubtedly young 1069 was "interviewed" and determined acceptable. Jeesh--why so invested in this, Rev. It's certainly PLAUSIBLE. The waiver occurred via the interview.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Undoubtedly young 1069 was "interviewed" and determined acceptable. Jeesh--why so invested in this, Rev. It's certainly PLAUSIBLE. The waiver occurred via the interview.




    Two reasons.


    1. That it was factually lacking. I simply asked for clarification. As her explaination did not follow how it usually goes. All she had to say was "yeah waiver". The fact that she dodged that and almost sent me his name is a clue.

    2. To show that there was much more to the proccess than a judges order. I showed you the relevant regulation, and stated that a waiver would be required after the case is settled.







    Oh and I really do not care. this is a discussion board. I had info, I argued it.



    I hope he does well in the Army. Though I am still curious why if "he did not want to go" but had a choice of branches, he chose the Army....
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    I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :
    I believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :
    How is that working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :
    I thought Don't Ask Don't Tell kept you out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I can't believe you think I would lie about what's happening to my poor baby.
    Do you really think this makes a good or entertaining story?
    My friends on the board, including the Cap'n, have known about all this since mid-December. I've been distraught, I've been PMing them about things as they develop. This is my youngest, my baby, my 17-year-old. Just turned 17.

    Is everyone else on the board also willing to give Cap'n their children's names and social security numbers so that he can look into their criminal records and verify that they are who they say they are?
    I have been extremely careful about sharing identifying information in my years on this board.
    I think I can trust the Cap'n not to mess things up for us, at least not deliberately. I'm just so scared about giving out my baby's name and identifying information to anyone on the internet, when his situation is so precarious. He's enlisted, but he's not shipping for months yet. I've got to get him safely through the next few months. It's just a very uncertain time. His safety, his future, and possibly his very life is hanging in the balance, and I think that might be a little more important than mom's internet cred, unless mom is a completely psychotic asshole. I trust the Cap'n, but I don't really know who he is. And if the forum at large, after knowing me three years, thinks I'd lie about such a thing, I'm not sure why I'd feel compelled to give out my minor child's identifying information in order to prove anything to you anyway. You obviously don't know me, care about me, or have my or my child's best interests at heart.

    Cap'n, tell me what to do. What would you do in this situation?

    And Rev, don't you ever let me catch you impunging others' service again. Your service isn't crap, compared to being forced to send one's beloved child into war. If you think I wouldn't go in his place if they'd let me, you're insane, you don't understand what it is to be a parent, and you aren't fit to be one, and you never will be.
    Actually, I don't believe you are lying. If you went ahead with this, I am sure that the Reverend would end up having to apologize to you.

    BTW - I made my post before I noticed CC's warning post, so sorry I stuck my nose into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I don't believe you are lying. If you went ahead with this, I am sure that the Reverend would end up having to apologize to you.

    BTW - I made my post before I noticed CC's warning post, so sorry I stuck my nose into this.

    Truce, 10?
    And do you think an apology is going to be useful to me in some way?
    Is it going to somehow help my situation?
    An apology from a stranger on the internet?

    There is nothing illegal going on here. Everything is legal and aboveboard.
    If you try to make trouble for us in any way, in ANY WAY, I will find you and make you sorry.
    Do you hear me, Rev?
    Stay the **** out of our lives.
    This is none of your affair.
    Last edited by 1069; 02-02-09 at 08:58 PM.

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