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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Two things. Firstly, technically, 10 is correct. I have had this happen to several clients, including one recently. What happens is the court "strongly suggests" one to join the military in order to avoid a jail sentence. It's similar to what happens with a psychiatric hospitalization, at times. Someone signs in voluntarily. Why? Because they are told that if they do not, they will be committed. Are they being legally order to sign in? No, but the implication is clear. That is what happened to 10's son, and many other people that we all know. So, in this sense, 10 is correct. Her son joined the military as an alternative to going to jail.

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    US Army suicides hit record highThe personal stuff needs to stop. 10 has requested this. I am "strongly suggesting" it...if you know what I mean. Think of me as the court system, suggesting that you do one thing, in order to avoid something else.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    My brother had that--joined the Navy.

    They suspend the charges and then drop them. It's part of the bargaining to determine what he might be charged with--and then charges are never actually filed. At least that's how I understand it. It's not being "forced" it's giving them a choice.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Smart move. It would be idiotic for you to give anyone your personal information, me, CC, anyone.





    I feel for you and my prayers have always been with you and your family. However.....


    Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:

    "Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."


    The other branches have similar regulations.
    To me, it looks like a case of deferred adjudication, in which case, will not be in the public records. She could be telling the truth.

    Look, I don't agree with 10 on anything. In fact, I do not like 10. But I believe she deserves a chance to state her case. She does not trust you, and so, has offered to give personal information to somebody she does trust, in order to verify her story. Captain Courtesy is the person she chose, and I trust him to be honest. So, instead of bashing 10, lighten up and let the Captain do his research, that is, if both you and 10, along with the Captain, are in agreement on this approach. Simply calling her a liar and bashing her is something we would expect in the old Soviet Empire. This is America, so let her make her case to the Captain, and let the Captain report back to you, before you decide she should be lynched. If the Captain determines that she lied, then shame on her, and she should be remembered as Bonnie was remembered - As a liar. On the other hand, if the Captain determines that she is telling the truth, then you should man up and apologize to her.

    Reverend - Agreed?

    10 - Agreed?

    Captain - Are you willing to participate?
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To me, it looks like a case of deferred adjudication, in which case, will not be in the public records. She could be telling the truth.
    I have seen this many times before. 10 and I have discussed this over the last few months and though I think the terminology was not explained to her, precisely. What you described above, dana, is exactly what occurred. I'm the first one to call anyone out on lying. Here, 10 is telling the truth.

    Look, I don't agree with 10 on anything. In fact, I do not like 10. But I believe she deserves a chance to state her case. She does not trust you, and so, has offered to give personal information to somebody she does trust, in order to verify her story. Captain Courtesy is the person she chose, and I trust him to be honest. So, instead of bashing 10, lighten up and let the Captain do his research, that is, if both you and 10, along with the Captain, are in agreement on this approach. Simply calling her a liar and bashing her is something we would expect in the old Soviet Empire. This is America, so let her make her case to the Captain, and let the Captain report back to you, before you decide she should be lynched. If the Captain determines that she lied, then shame on her, and she should be remembered as Bonnie was remembered - As a liar. On the other hand, if the Captain determines that she is telling the truth, then you should man up and apologize to her.

    Reverend - Agreed?

    10 - Agreed?

    Captain - Are you willing to participate?
    I've already spoken to 10 about this. IMO, and in accordance with my earlier in thread warning, this no longer needs to be a public issue. That is 10's request and I agree with it. To me, this is a non-issue; 10 is telling the truth, though she may not be using the terminology accurately. If I need to get involved more so, and 10 agrees, I will do what I can.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To me, it looks like a case of deferred adjudication, in which case, will not be in the public records. She could be telling the truth.

    Look, I don't agree with 10 on anything. In fact, I do not like 10. But I believe she deserves a chance to state her case. She does not trust you, and so, has offered to give personal information to somebody she does trust, in order to verify her story. Captain Courtesy is the person she chose, and I trust him to be honest. So, instead of bashing 10, lighten up and let the Captain do his research, that is, if both you and 10, along with the Captain, are in agreement on this approach. Simply calling her a liar and bashing her is something we would expect in the old Soviet Empire. This is America, so let her make her case to the Captain, and let the Captain report back to you, before you decide she should be lynched. If the Captain determines that she lied, then shame on her, and she should be remembered as Bonnie was remembered - As a liar. On the other hand, if the Captain determines that she is telling the truth, then you should man up and apologize to her.

    Reverend - Agreed?

    10 - Agreed?

    Captain - Are you willing to participate?


    I can't believe you think I would lie about what's happening to my poor baby.
    Do you really think this makes a good or entertaining story?
    My friends on the board, including the Cap'n, have known about all this since mid-December. I've been distraught, I've been PMing them about things as they develop. This is my youngest, my baby, my 17-year-old. Just turned 17.

    Is everyone else on the board also willing to give Cap'n their children's names and social security numbers so that he can look into their criminal records and verify that they are who they say they are?
    I have been extremely careful about sharing identifying information in my years on this board.
    I think I can trust the Cap'n not to mess things up for us, at least not deliberately. I'm just so scared about giving out my baby's name and identifying information to anyone on the internet, when his situation is so precarious. He's enlisted, but he's not shipping for months yet. I've got to get him safely through the next few months. It's just a very uncertain time. His safety, his future, and possibly his very life is hanging in the balance, and I think that might be a little more important than mom's internet cred, unless mom is a completely psychotic asshole. I trust the Cap'n, but I don't really know who he is. And if the forum at large, after knowing me three years, thinks I'd lie about such a thing, I'm not sure why I'd feel compelled to give out my minor child's identifying information in order to prove anything to you anyway. You obviously don't know me, care about me, or have my or my child's best interests at heart.

    Cap'n, tell me what to do. What would you do in this situation?

    And Rev, don't you ever let me catch you impunging others' service again. Your service isn't crap, compared to being forced to send one's beloved child into war. If you think I wouldn't go in his place if they'd let me, you're insane, you don't understand what it is to be a parent, and you aren't fit to be one, and you never will be.

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    A Bit Of Advice

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    1069,

    When enlisting in the service the important thing is to make an intelligent choice of MOS (military occupation specialty), ones job, which affects training and future employment opportunities outside of the military.

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    Re: A Bit Of Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    "A Bit Of Advice"

    1069,

    When enlisting in the service the important thing is to make an intelligent choice of MOS (military occupation specialty), ones job, which affects training and future employment opportunities outside of the military.
    I know, Monk-Eye. He's got a good job, a safe job.
    One that I hope will keep him out of harm's way, and provide him with a trade he can use in the future.
    He's going to have specialized training, which is why he can't go right away.

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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I can't believe you think I would lie about what's happening to my poor baby.
    Do you really think this makes a good or entertaining story?
    My friends on the board, including the Cap'n, have known about all this since mid-December. I've been distraught, I've been PMing them about things as they develop. This is my youngest, my baby, my 17-year-old. Just turned 17.

    Is everyone else on the board also willing to give Cap'n their children's names and social security numbers so that he can look into their criminal records and verify that they are who they say they are?
    I have been extremely careful about sharing identifying information in my years on this board.
    I think I can trust the Cap'n not to mess things up for us, at least not deliberately. I'm just so scared about giving out my baby's name and identifying information to anyone on the internet, when his situation is so precarious. He's enlisted, but he's not shipping for months yet. I've got to get him safely through the next few months. It's just a very uncertain time. His safety, his future, and possibly his very life is hanging in the balance, and I think that might be a little more important than mom's internet cred, unless mom is a completely psychotic asshole. I trust the Cap'n, but I don't really know who he is. And if the forum at large, after knowing me three years, thinks I'd lie about such a thing, I'm not sure why I'd feel compelled to give out my minor child's identifying information in order to prove anything to you anyway. You obviously don't know me, care about me, or have my or my child's best interests at heart.

    Cap'n, tell me what to do. What would you do in this situation?

    And Rev, don't you ever let me catch you impunging others' service again. Your service isn't crap, compared to being forced to send one's beloved child into war. If you think I wouldn't go in his place if they'd let me, you're insane, you don't understand what it is to be a parent, and you aren't fit to be one, and you never will be.
    I had forgotten that this was your 17-year-old. This makes your story even more credible. I've seen this many times. I believe that the terminology was not explained to you properly, which is the confusion. There is no doubt in my mind that you are telling the truth, here...and EVERYONE knows I am the first to go after liars...friend or foe.

    I do not need your personal information to confirm your story. This is how it would happen in NJ. Kid gets arrested. Kid goes to court. Kid gets PTI (pre-trial intervention). This intervention can be a variety of things...community service, military service, counseling, etc... If the kid agrees to this, and follows through with what the court "suggested", then, depending on the the charge, either his record would be expunged, or the consequences of the charge would be eliminated. I have a client, right now, that went through this process. He refused (idiot) and is now facing jail time.

    I would always be cautious about sharing personal information on the internet. I am precisely who and what I say I am, but having been involved in internet safety for 10+ years, it's always a little concerning. I do not need your information to confirm what you are saying is accurate, and I'm not sure I could find out anything else if I did.

    My suggestion is to let it go. What you say is accurate. Ignore those who do not believe you.

    And I also suggest that we end this publicly. No need for it to continue.
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    I haven't read through the whole thread but that sounds like a really unethical way of conscripting people?

    I kind of think its wrong. Like signing a contract under duress.
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    Re: US Army suicides hit record high

    This was a popular way of induction in the Viet Nam war,not so much from the military's side but from the criminal justice side.
    10 if he has a specialized MOS and is not infantry,or armor,or,transportation he shouldn't have any worries.
    What a lot of people don't realize is the amount of support the troops who are fighting need,and most of that is from semi-secure locations.I would guess that it's probably 4 to 1 at least.

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