Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 52

Thread: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

  1. #41
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ventura California
    Last Seen
    11-15-11 @ 11:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,706

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why can not you back up your own claim?
    I certainly can back up my claim; with personal experience as well; but that does not excuse your laziness and desire to make others do your research. Here’s an idea, prove me wrong. Carry on.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I already busted you once on the the Rush thing not being charged.

    Put up or shut up.
    Funny case of rabid denial you have there. You made the FALSE statement that, and I quote: "Rush got busted good," then you posted statements that supported my comments that he didn't get "busted" for anything; particularly the argument related to the thread topic.

    How profound that your lack of reading comprehension might be a possible explanation for your rabid denial.

    You want to PROVE my statement wrong, do your own research and get back to me. I don't need to support my claim with anything more until you can PROVE it false.

    Along with your reading comprehension problems and denial, you have an ODD idea about how to debate and what constitutes a factual statement.

  2. #42
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ventura California
    Last Seen
    11-15-11 @ 11:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,706

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimates that 53 percent of the approximately 80,000 rural gas stations - and 25 percent of the 200,000 stations nationwide - will close by the end of 1998 because of new federal regulations affecting underground storage tanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I see you are having difficulty with an EPA “estimate” at the time of the article and reality.

    Here are some facts for you:

    Exxon Joins Competitors in Moving Away from Gas Station Ownership
    There are about 12,000 gas stations with the Exxon sign at the entrance, though the company owns about 2,220 of them. And Exxon plans to sell those over the next few years, Reuters reported.


    Exxon Joins Competitors in Moving Away from Gas Station Ownership -- Seeking Alpha

    Since 1985, CITGO has sold its various products through independent marketers. Our relationship with these people is really what makes CITGO different from other petroleum companies.
    CITGO.com, About CITGO

    Still, the state of the market doesn't bode well for anyone trying to exit the gas-retailing business, be they one-store owners or energy giant Exxon Mobil Corp. Last month, the company said it plans to sell its 2,220 stations in the U.S.; other oil companies already have shed most of theirs.Gas Stations Hit Skids - WSJ.com

    Welcome to the white-knuckled world of convenience store gas stations -- half of which are mom-and-pop operations and approximately where 80 percent of the country's gas is sold.

    Gas companies own less than 5 percent of the country's gas stations. Like everyone else, mom-and-pop gas station owners are struggling with the high prices.

    ABC News: Gas Stations Owners Feel the Pump Pain, Too

  3. #43
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,306

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Gas is too cheap, they need to put stations out of business to drive prices up.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  4. #44
    Phoenecian
    Indy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    03-22-13 @ 04:36 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,089

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That is not the argument; the argument is that if the Government for the sake of a particular vocal constituency is going to pass onerous and absurd regulations that burden the small business person to comply with regulations supported by suspect science, then they should consider tax incentives to assist those businesses to perform said modifications.

    <paragraph removed to shorten the quote>

    But you have to ask yourself this question Indy, who ultimately pays for these modifications and who suffers the burden of these regulations the most once they have been paid for by the businesses?
    Answer: Everyone. What, you didn't expect a free lunch did you? That's the basic concept of economics, nothing is free. You want better standards, you pay for it. What I believe you are overlooking is that the politicians were elected by the people and it wasn't a secret that this is a stance of theirs. Therefore, the people have made their choice and is a logical assumption that the people are also will to accept the costs.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

  5. #45
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ventura California
    Last Seen
    11-15-11 @ 11:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,706

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Answer: Everyone. What, you didn't expect a free lunch did you? That's the basic concept of economics, nothing is free. You want better standards, you pay for it. What I believe you are overlooking is that the politicians were elected by the people and it wasn't a secret that this is a stance of theirs. Therefore, the people have made their choice and is a logical assumption that the people are also will to accept the costs.
    This is the false assertion: "want better standards". No one wants these standards other than a small lunatic fringe bent on saving the planet at the cost of everything rational.

    Who pays the heaviest cost of such ill-thought out legislation? The POOR; the very people Liberals claim to champion. The rich are immune from Governments stupidity.

    If you believe that putting the small businessman out of business is a GOOD idea, then you support this useless legislation that will do NOTHING to make the environment and air safer.

    It reminds me of the global warming fear mongers; their argument basically is, we cannot absolutely prove our wild-eyed assertions, but do you want to take the chance and DIE?

    Yes, I will take my chances with eons of historic evidence that warming is not a bad thing but global cooling is. The last thing I want is to have Earth revert back to a sheet of ice.

  6. #46
    Phoenecian
    Indy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    03-22-13 @ 04:36 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,089

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    ::Sigh:: I'll go through this with you one more time:

    If the country didn't want better gas mileage then why is detroit in so much trouble? Oh wait, I forgot your typical answer: the democrats.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

  7. #47
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ventura California
    Last Seen
    11-15-11 @ 11:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,706

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    ::Sigh:: I'll go through this with you one more time:

    If the country didn't want better gas mileage then why is detroit in so much trouble? Oh wait, I forgot your typical answer: the democrats.
    What does gas mileage have to do with the thread topic?

    This isn't about gas mileage, this is about gas pump vapor emissions.

    But, if you want to change the topic about better gas mileage and why Detroit is in so much trouble, I will be happy to have that debate in another thread.

  8. #48
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Nashville/Little Mexico Tennessee
    Last Seen
    06-02-09 @ 12:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    523

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Envirowackos 1, hard working people 0.


    Mandate could force gas stations out of business - Pasadena Star-News

    Small businesses, the little guy out there, has to shut down, has to stop earning a living.

    I bet ya many of these places will get bought out by bigger companies... gee, you don't think that someone is looking to make money from this... nah.

    This is really all about Mother Gaia right?
    Our federal EPA is heavy handed enough ,add one Kalifornia EPA to the mix and you get this.

  9. #49
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Nashville/Little Mexico Tennessee
    Last Seen
    06-02-09 @ 12:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    523

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Answer: Everyone. What, you didn't expect a free lunch did you? That's the basic concept of economics, nothing is free. You want better standards, you pay for it. What I believe you are overlooking is that the politicians were elected by the people and it wasn't a secret that this is a stance of theirs. Therefore, the people have made their choice and is a logical assumption that the people are also will to accept the costs.
    I basicly agree with your thinking. I Would like to throw the monkey wrench of ,"junk science", into the irrational decision makeing involved in arriving at the need for these retrofits... ,"needed to keep the sky intact".
    Last edited by Rodney; 02-06-09 at 08:26 PM.

  10. #50
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    ::Sigh:: I'll go through this with you one more time:

    If the country didn't want better gas mileage then why is detroit in so much trouble? Oh wait, I forgot your typical answer: the democrats.
    You're right - it has nothing to do with the fact that it costs Detroit far more to build a car than it does a foreign company. The Unions play NO part in this.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •