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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

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    Just maybe you happen disagree with some of your fellow conservatives? And that is okay IMHO. I've often disagreed with people whom think capitalism is evil incarnate.
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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? I always hear conservatives saying the state subsidizing stuff is a socialist principle...
    That could be considered a socialist principle...

    So too can it be said that massive state involvement in business, instructing them what they must or must not have to do business, and removing their freedom could also be seen as such.

    Much like someone that says a lie is not necessarily a "lier", and someone that gives charity one time in his life a "charitable person", so too does having some government involvement or subsidation make you a socialist.

    Very few ideologies are truly so extreme. There's conservatives, and then there's hardcore libertarians verging on anarchists.

    I do not think that the government of california should be mandating this particular thing.. HOWEVER, if the government is going to go forward with it then I do think its not too out there to say there should be some government aid in the form of some tax breaks or other form of aid to these businesses their forcing to either spend exorbitant fees because government wants to meddle or close up shop.

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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? I always hear conservatives saying the state subsidizing stuff is a socialist principle...
    Generally speaking, I am not a big fan of it, but in case of conserving the environment, it is ONE tool out there that I suppose the use of. We are doing a TERRIBLE job as stewards of God's creation. I don't see a problem with government subsidies to help small businesses stay in business and maintain environmentally sound business practices at the same time.
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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Question in regards to the original article is do those gas stations get an additional write off on taxes for this purchase?

    If so, what is the problem? Just syain

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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Question in regards to the original article is do those gas stations get an additional write off on taxes for this purchase?

    If so, what is the problem? Just syain
    I am sure they would get a write-off as a business expense, but apparently these new machines are prohibitively expensive for small operators.
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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    Mandate could force gas stations out of business - Pasadena Star-News

    Small businesses, the little guy out there, has to shut down, has to stop earning a living.
    Quite a few years ago in Washington state we lost a lot of mom and pop gas stations when a law went into effect that required special underground tanks. I guess it had something to do with emissions. I can't remember the particulars, but I was bummed to see my favorite places go out of business.

    I wish they would at least put gas attendants back in Washington. I wouldn't mind paying a little bit more at the pump to put more jobs out there. Oregon still has it. It's illegal to pump your own gas there.


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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am sure they would get a write-off as a business expense, but apparently these new machines are prohibitively expensive for small operators.
    Well we are seeing lots of talk about "costs" I would like to see some definitive data on these "costs" compared to normal operational costs.

    Seems to me if these costs are low and could be written off this is just a tantrum.

    Does anyone have any data on how much extra these costs are to normal operation?

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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    The mom and pop gas stations all went out of business long ago because of underground tank regulations.

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    Re: Mandate could force gas stations out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The mom and pop gas stations all went out of business long ago because of underground tank regulations.
    Mom and pop hardware stations went our of business long ago because of Walmart, Lowes, and Home Depot. Where is the outcry there?

    As I asked before, can anyone answer, what is the additional operational costs minus the tax cuts for such additions?

    Can anyone tell us this, or is this just a tantrum?

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