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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Of course, the promise means nothing to you BECAUSE YOU LIKE HIM. I think we all see it now. THough I commend your courage to be the first OBama supporter to make a comment on this thread.
    I like Obama so far. But it's been only 10 freaking days!
    This is petty, and I'm not going to get riled up by it.

    If I were you, I'd focus on results. Let's see how he does. But give him at least 100 days, m'kay?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If I went through your post history would I find any instances of you bad-mouthing lobbyists in the Bush administration or McCain's campaign?
    Search away. Don't let the sound of crickets lull you into sleep when you're working on this most important task.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Change we can believe in.
    LOL.

    So you're basically saying that Bush lied his ass off.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I like Obama so far. But it's been only 10 freaking days!
    This is petty, and I'm not going to get riled up by it.

    If I were you, I'd focus on results. Let's see how he does. But give him at least 100 days, m'kay?
    Frankly, this wouldn't bother me at all except for all of the ALLEGATIONS for years about Bush "lying" and the ramifications of that. However, Obama is caught in a lie and that is ok. You don't see a problem with that?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Frankly, this wouldn't bother me at all except for all of the ALLEGATIONS for years about Bush "lying" and the ramifications of that. However, Obama is caught in a lie and that is ok. You don't see a problem with that?
    It is a delicate dance. If lobbyists that agrred to the terms of the executive orders come come back to lobby then I will call it a lie.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post

    Does all this mean Obama will now fail as President and fall into corruption and incompetence? I doubt it.

    Yeah, me too.



    In a world without shades of gray, Obama lied regarding the lobbyists.




    I don't live in that world though. My world isn't an "either/or" world. It isn't just white or black. Is anyone's world truly black and white?

    I understand Obama's ideals. I want a president to strive for perfection for our government and our citizens. I want a president to be able to get new information and be willing to change his mind. I won't take him to task for changing his mind with the expectation of a better outcome for having done so.

    Like Middleground said, if it turns out he placed incompetents in charge, like "good ol' Brownie" then I'll have something else to say.



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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Frankly, this wouldn't bother me at all except for all of the ALLEGATIONS for years about Bush "lying" and the ramifications of that. However, Obama is caught in a lie and that is ok. You don't see a problem with that?
    In this instance, no, not really. I have no opinion of these hires yet. Who knows, they all could be great calls. Or not. But we don't know that yet.

    Now if Obama changed his mind regarding his plans for the environment and not investing in new green technologies, then yes, I'd be upset. That--to me--weights of much greater importance.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Are you seriously liking Bush's statments (Iraq, WMD, hunting Bin Laden, etc) to Obama saying "lobbyists will have no part in my White House"?
    Yes, I seriously am. Bush used more than just WMD to justify the Iraq war, the intelligence didn't pan out, but sources w/in our military have said there were trucks capable of moving the stuff out of the country crossing the borders during our buildup and a few of the former Iraqi generals confirmed the desire for WMD programs, so was Bush mistaken....maybe, did he lie, probably not, but he was accused mercilessly of such. Now on to Obama, he said no lobbyists in the administration, yet we have lobbyists in the administration, so the comparison is valid if you use the perspective of charges of lying by the other side and apologist attitudes from the base.

    It is on those people to prove themselves worth of their positions and they hold a piece of Obama's credibility in their actions, or lack there-of.
    I agree, but when Obama said no lobbyists, the burden of proof that they are the right people on the job falls on Obama, since he made the promise.

    Which promise are you talking about? The one where he said Lobbyists will not be in his White House or that Lobbyists won't dominate his administration?
    He said no lobbyists.

    Obama has changed his opinion from "no lobbyists" to a "maybe some lobbyists but they won't dominate", several times through his campaign. Which one is the promise?
    Which one was the first one, since his campaign seemed to do a lot of changing, or at least one was repeated the most.



    His ideals in this instance is that Lobbyists will not be controlling the White House anymore. We will not have no-bid partnerships with corporations (Haliburton, BlackWater) above what is best for the country and the people.
    I mean his ideals in big government.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I find it amazing that people would be willing to give up lucrative lobbying careers to go into public service with a 100k cap.
    No **** !
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I like Obama so far. But it's been only 10 freaking days!
    Yea, 10 days and he's already breaking campaign promises. Prepare for disappointment.

    This is petty, and I'm not going to get riled up by it.
    You are at stage 1. Eventually your will acknowledge the truth at stage 5

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    2 * Anger (why is this happening to me?)
    3 * Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)
    4 * Depression (I don't care anymore)
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    If I were you, I'd focus on results. Let's see how he does. But give him at least 100 days, m'kay?
    I'll drink to that... while I clutch my guns and income taxes oh so closely!!
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