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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    None of which deals with:

    1. Obama making getting lobbyists and former lobbyists out of the government system part of his campaign.
    2. Obama making a campaign promise not to have former lobbyists in his white house.
    3. People who were railing agaisnt McCain and Bush about having lobbyists on staff now doing anything from giving Obama to a pass to actually saying its a GOOD thing.

    I actually don't personally mind lobbyists in government. I don't instantly think "Lobbyist = bad". I've said as much in other threads, and before the election. I think choosing someone that's less qualified to be in a position simply because they've not been a lobbyist would be idiotic. I think you can be a good person and an honorable civil servent and have lobbyed for something before.

    The problem is, my position is consistant. I've said it before the election, I've said it after before this happened, I've said it now, and I will likely continue to say it unless something substantial happens to make me change my mind.

    Apparently though, for many people like PeteEU, that "something substantial" is simply "Someone I like is in power".

    It was poor judgement by Obama at best for making the campaign promise, and a flat out lie at worst. Its absolute hypocracy on the part of people who blasted Bush for having lobbyists in his white house, blasted Mccain for having lobbyists on his campaign staff and likely to be in the white house, but then talk glowingly about lobbyists when Obama puts them in and says its okay. Its hypocritical to complain, for 8 years, about all of Bush's "Lies" but when a very clear and evident contradiction is presented for the guy they support and suddenly there are "percentages" that one can break a promise by.
    Admitting Obama lied...err I mean, "CHANGEd his mind" would mean admitting he is not the Messiah and is in fact a politican who manipulated the medias muckraking of Bush magnifcantely to make unrealistic promises to win a campaign. No Obamaniac can admit this without inducing a stroke. Thus, cognitive dissonance in Obamaphiles usually results in denial or red-herrings, E.G., B...B...Bu...Bu.....Bush is bad!!!

    Note: I voted for Obama. He's acting exactly as I expected: as a lying sack of politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's pretty much how I feel.

    All politicians break promises, and I didn't expect Obama to keep all of his. It would be impossible. Now if these people turn out to be hacks, then yeah, he made piss-poor choices. Why cry now about it? Wait and see. They could turn out to be excellent choices.
    It seems you're purposely missing the point, although I'm not terribly surprised. Can't say I blame you either, because I would also try avoiding the issue if the person I supported for President started lying their ass off from the get-go. Let me see if I can help you understand the significance of the Obama-lobbyist connection.

    If I went through your post history would I find any instances of you bad-mouthing lobbyists in the Bush administration or McCain's campaign? Or even better, give me a rough estimation as to how many liberals in this forum having been singing a chorus about lobbyists in the Bush administration for the past eight years...think about it....alright, now think about this...

    Why is that when Obama does something so blatantly hypocritical and dishonest all I'm able to hear from Obama's resident acolytes is...

    *CRICKET* *CRICKET*

    You guys act like you owe him something. You don't even know the man and you're afraid to simply call him out on a lie. He's the PRESIDENT. We are SUPPOSED to criticize him when he does something wrong. That's how a Democracy works! And the Obamaphiles wonder why people pejoratively referred to him as the Messiah, or why some people were concerned he might abuse his power while in office.

    Man, he played you guys like a fiddle...embarrassing.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Then I guess it was poor judgment at best, and utter dishonesty at worst, for Obama to make not having people that were tied to lobbyists involved in his government
    If an issue this trivial sets you off, how will you be able to participate in ideological debate when serious issues arise? By venting your outrage in Obama's first ten days you seem determined to marginilize yourself as an obstructionist partisan. Have you made the decision to work for the failure of the new administration?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Service Employees International Union is the one that organized the strike against the Hotels here in Houston a couple of years ago, where crowds of illegal aliens were stomping on American flags and flying Mexican flags.
    Do you have a link for that?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post

    If I went through your post history would I find any instances of you bad-mouthing lobbyists in the Bush administration or McCain's campaign?
    And if I went through your post history, would I find you defending George Bush when he lied about WMD, about Iraq's nuclear capability, about torture, about issues that actually cost the lives of American servicemen? Probably. I find your outrage over a misplaced statement about the hiring of lobbyists curious, considering how much you overlooked from a Republican president.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Meh.

    What does that mean, anyway? Because they were lobbyists, they are not qualified for the job? Conflict of interest?
    Of course, the promise means nothing to you BECAUSE YOU LIKE HIM. I think we all see it now. THough I commend your courage to be the first OBama supporter to make a comment on this thread.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Look at this way, there are far far far far fewer lobbyists in an Obama administration than there would have been in a McCain administration. A huge chunk of McCain's main campaign staff and backers were lobbyists, and I dont doubt for a second that they would have had top jobs in his administration.
    Obama didn't say "fewer." And any other claims are mere partisan speculation. There are some lobbyists in some pretty plum positions.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    If they no longer work for lobbying firms, they are not lobbyists. And unlike Dick Cheney, who went directly from CEO of Halliburton to the guy who picked Halliburton to rebuild Iraq, former lobbyists no longer care about the concerns of their former employers.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Frankly, I am enjoying the squirming the leftists are going through in this thread. Is this an indication of how much fun the next couple of years are going to be until Mid-TErms?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Frankly, I am enjoying the squirming the leftists are going through in this thread. Is this an indication of how much fun the next couple of years are going to be until Mid-TErms?
    I find it amazing that people would be willing to give up lucrative lobbying careers to go into public service with a 100k cap.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

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    Obama lied. This thread will be avoided like so many pointing out the emporers fine new duds often are.


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