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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

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    Wow, can't let it go can ya rev?



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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Yeah I guess I didn't pay much attention to that particular quote, looks like he lied.

    I thought he said something about lobbyists not having any significant influence on his administration, oh well.
    Obama lied, period.

    Just like he lied when he promised not to play the same Washington game with the same Washington players as he was appointing Rahm, Daschle, Hillary, Holder, Rice, et al.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Does anyone actually know a lobbyist? I thought they were just people representing an organization to the government. Usually picked for specific qualities.
    -charismatic
    -knowledge of "the Hill"
    -connections with congress
    -intelligent
    -very knowledgeable in an area that some organization feels deserves government attention

    A former lobbyist may possess all these qualities and more, but no longer represent a large contingent of people or corporations. I suppose some lobbyists represent their interest group for personal reasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if many others are just good at their job.
    I know some lobbyists and they're great at what they do. I think they'd make fine political appointments, which is why I would never make a pledge to keep lobbyists out of my administration, were I an elected official.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Admitting Obama lied...err I mean, "CHANGEd his mind" would mean admitting he is not the Messiah and is in fact a politican who manipulated the medias muckraking of Bush magnifcantely to make unrealistic promises to win a campaign. No Obamaniac can admit this without inducing a stroke. Thus, cognitive dissonance in Obamaphiles usually results in denial or red-herrings, E.G., B...B...Bu...Bu.....Bush is bad!!!

    Note: I voted for Obama. He's acting exactly as I expected: as a lying sack of politician.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Admitting Obama lied...err I mean, "CHANGEd his mind" would mean admitting he is not the Messiah and is in fact a politican who manipulated the medias muckraking of Bush magnifcantely to make unrealistic promises to win a campaign. No Obamaniac can admit this without inducing a stroke.
    I know this is going to sound rude but maybe you would hear us if you listened to someone other than yourself. I've admitted it, I've admitted it many times. There are many things that bother me about Obama but I am stuck defending him because you people keep attacking him about things that do not bother me. I know people here may try to be all nice and informative but honestly there are a lot of outlets out there for people to vent on and they are all pretty much ridiculous.

    Anyway when you want to have an intelligent discussion about Obama's past and present failures then I am all ears. I have yet to hear anything at all about that outside of here... all I hear is "Obama is a socialist", or "Obama is a muslim", or "Obama the Messiah". To be perfectly honest I don't think the little people in the GOP really know why they hate the guy at all because they don't know 1 thing about him or anything else for that matter.

    Someone makes some chili and of course, "I WANT SOME CHILI!!", "NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE CHILI!" blah blah blah nothing is ever getting done.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen1 View Post
    I know this is going to sound rude but maybe you would hear us if you listened to someone other than yourself.
    Who is "us"? And I can't listen to you because your written words don't talk to me.

    I've admitted it, I've admitted it many times. There are many things that bother me about Obama but I am stuck defending him because you people keep attacking him about things that do not bother me.
    Why do you think this this about you?

    I know people here may try to be all nice and informative but honestly there are a lot of outlets out there for people to vent on and they are all pretty much ridiculous.
    pot meet kettle

    Anyway when you want to have an intelligent discussion about Obama's past and present failures then I am all ears.
    see above.

    I have yet to hear anything at all about that outside of here... all I hear is "Obama is a socialist", or "Obama is a muslim", or "Obama the Messiah".
    umm this thread is about Obama being a LIAR about LOBBYISTS. Not about the red-herrings you mention.

    To be perfectly honest I don't think the little people in the GOP really know why they hate the guy at all because they don't know 1 thing about him or anything else for that matter.
    I know he lied about lobbyists. you do know that that is what this thread is about right?

    As a bonus its an psychology experiment about Obamaphiles experiencing cognitive dissonance and how they deal with it.

    Someone makes some chili and of course, "I WANT SOME CHILI!!", "NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE CHILI!" blah blah blah nothing is ever getting done.
    This didn't make sense at all. Were you making a chili dinner for your kids and incidentally typed your experience?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    As a bonus its an psychology experiment about Obamaphiles experiencing cognitive dissonance and how they deal with it.
    There you go.


    This didn't make sense at all.
    Your total lack of empathy and plain old fashioned common sense certainly explains a lot.

    If the only thing you have to stand up to me with is that you don't like me then this "debate" is going to be a short one.

    You really need to grow up especially if you want me to waste my time "debating" things with you of which you just won't listen to regardless. Your logic is predetermined and at any point anybody else's logic is not predetermined you attempt to bully them into submission or you cry about it until it or you simply goes away. It's a ridiculous tactic that has become quite predictable.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen1 View Post
    There you go.



    Your total lack of empathy and plain old fashioned common sense certainly explains a lot.

    If the only thing you have to stand up to me with is that you don't like me then this "debate" is going to be a short one.

    You really need to grow up especially if you want me to waste my time "debating" things with you of which you just won't listen to regardless. Your logic is predetermined and at any point anybody else's logic is not predetermined you attempt to bully them into submission or you cry about it until it or you simply goes away. It's a ridiculous tactic that has become quite predictable.
    So adhoms aside, why don't you think Obama's flip-flop/"changing his mind"/lie/"adapting to change" or however you want to spin it is not indicative of future broken campaign promises?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Well the very first one that came to me was his support of the patriot act and all the civil liberty that it distinctively took away. I complained about that as soon as I read about it but it was left to drown under all the other junk that was being thrown around at the time.

    I really kind of feel responsible. I feel like a lot of people out there may have been influenced by my logic because it was similar to theirs and I was really just a fool because no one on either side is going to really represent me and my opinions. The fact is that I mean jack to them and they don't care about that in itself either and it's just the same for all of us really.

    I don't approve of his support of illegal immigrants. Not much to say about it other than that. It speaks for itself really. Being born on American soil used to mean something. I don't know what it means anymore. The world hates us and I don't blame them and there really is no justifiable answer in sight that will make everybody happy. It seems pointless to even think about it.

    I don't approve of him being compared to Martin Luther King Jr. nor do I approve of him putting Martin Luther King III on the podium because that was absolutely disrespectful to the memory of his father if anyone has actually done research on what his son does to disrespect his family's name and honor. This guy is selling his name to the highest bidder and it really seems like Obama is doing just the same but he is selling out every single african-american with him. These people believe in him and it really makes me sick because a lot of people, black or white, have a lot of other junk to put up with without all this crap being thrown at them, crap they can't even see clearly... every empathic nerve in my body gets angry when I think about it.

    I don't know... I am just depressed... I am going to go eat some pizza and get a nice buzz going.
    I will post more later.



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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    I expect that if you are staffing a new government in Washington, it would be next to impossible to find people who have never been employed by lobbying firms. What's more, most of the time that connection is quite innocent.

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