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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    He's been in office a week and you pronounce him a "miserable failure". I'm surprised you waited so long. Honeymoon, eh?

    I think we all realize that when non-elected officials are not in office, they often work as lobbyists. That doesn't mean they sell their soul to K street, and it certainly doesn't brand the Obama administration as a "miserable failure"
    Are you OK with the fact that Obama lied about having lobbyists in his administration?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think we all realize that when non-elected officials are not in office, they often work as lobbyists. That doesn't mean they sell their soul to K street.
    I'm trying to imagine any elected Democrat or liberal poster here saying this at any point in the past 8 years and am literally lol'ing.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ..there seems to me like there is substantially larger difference between the former CEO of Halliburton being part (and by that I mean second in command) of the same administration that gave Halliburton billion dollar contracts...

    And a guy who is :

    Deputy health and human services secretary nominee

    On another note though :

    .....what exactly is a : Deputy Health and Human Services Secretary?
    Say, aren't you one of the guys who said that, if the Bush administration only tortured a little, then it was still wrong?

    So what about it? If only torturing a little is still wrong, then isn't only a little lobbyist problem also wrong? Just because Obama has fewer lobbyists in his administration than Bush had in his doesn't make Obama better than Bush. He is just as bad, in my book.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    I'm sure you're talking about that from a completely informed platform, right Will Rockwell? I'm sure you're not just regurgitating partisan talking points in hoping to avoid having to say something poor about Obama so you can focus an attack on Bush. Because you know...

    It'd be sad if you ignored that a Congressional report sasid the contract was “properly” awarded. And I'm sure you didn't ignore that "only contractor that was determined to be in a position to provide the services within the required time frame."

    That Crazy Pentagon! How DARE they award a contract that was needed to be awarded quickly to the only contractor that was in a position to handle it. They should've instead said "Screw the needs of this country, Liberals may be upset! We can't allow that" and had a bidding process, prolonging how quickly they could get the company going with the project, and in the end possibly having it awarded to a company that either was undersized for the job or awarding it to KBR anyways after wasting a ton of time.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Does anyone actually know a lobbyist? I thought they were just people representing an organization to the government. Usually picked for specific qualities.
    -charismatic
    -knowledge of "the Hill"
    -connections with congress
    -intelligent
    -very knowledgeable in an area that some organization feels deserves government attention

    A former lobbyist may possess all these qualities and more, but no longer represent a large contingent of people or corporations. I suppose some lobbyists represent their interest group for personal reasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if many others are just good at their job.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Does anyone actually know a lobbyist? I thought they were just people representing an organization to the government. Usually picked for specific qualities.
    -charismatic
    -knowledge of "the Hill"
    -connections with congress
    -intelligent
    -very knowledgeable in an area that some organization feels deserves government attention

    A former lobbyist may possess all these qualities and more, but no longer represent a large contingent of people or corporations. I suppose some lobbyists represent their interest group for personal reasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if many others are just good at their job.
    Are you OK with the fact that Obama lied about having lobbyists in his administration?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Does anyone actually know a lobbyist? I thought they were just people representing an organization to the government. Usually picked for specific qualities.
    -charismatic
    -knowledge of "the Hill"
    -connections with congress
    -intelligent
    -very knowledgeable in an area that some organization feels deserves government attention

    A former lobbyist may possess all these qualities and more, but no longer represent a large contingent of people or corporations. I suppose some lobbyists represent their interest group for personal reasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if many others are just good at their job.
    None of which deals with:

    1. Obama making getting lobbyists and former lobbyists out of the government system part of his campaign.
    2. Obama making a campaign promise not to have former lobbyists in his white house.
    3. People who were railing agaisnt McCain and Bush about having lobbyists on staff now doing anything from giving Obama to a pass to actually saying its a GOOD thing.

    I actually don't personally mind lobbyists in government. I don't instantly think "Lobbyist = bad". I've said as much in other threads, and before the election. I think choosing someone that's less qualified to be in a position simply because they've not been a lobbyist would be idiotic. I think you can be a good person and an honorable civil servent and have lobbyed for something before.

    The problem is, my position is consistant. I've said it before the election, I've said it after before this happened, I've said it now, and I will likely continue to say it unless something substantial happens to make me change my mind.

    Apparently though, for many people like PeteEU, that "something substantial" is simply "Someone I like is in power".

    It was poor judgement by Obama at best for making the campaign promise, and a flat out lie at worst. Its absolute hypocracy on the part of people who blasted Bush for having lobbyists in his white house, blasted Mccain for having lobbyists on his campaign staff and likely to be in the white house, but then talk glowingly about lobbyists when Obama puts them in and says its okay. Its hypocritical to complain, for 8 years, about all of Bush's "Lies" but when a very clear and evident contradiction is presented for the guy they support and suddenly there are "percentages" that one can break a promise by.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Are you OK with the fact that Obama lied about having lobbyists in his administration?




    Given the fact the posters is rabid about calling me out for $400 kobe beef mislabling, I would be interested in his answer as well.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Yeah I guess I didn't pay much attention to that particular quote, looks like he lied.

    I thought he said something about lobbyists not having any significant influence on his administration, oh well.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Given the fact the posters is rabid about calling me out for $400 kobe beef mislabling, I would be interested in his answer as well.
    Wow, can't let it go can ya rev?

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