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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    ****ing hilarious. You rip on McCain for having lobbyists on his staff, and then turn around and point out how great and useful lobbyists are when Obama uses them.

    You and so many others were all up Cheney and everyone else's asses for this exact same thing, calling them "corrupt," "criminals," "tools of Halliburton," etc.

    Now that the Democrats are doing the exact same thing, after explicitly pledging not to, you couldn't care less.

    It's depressing, more than anything.
    Yup, you hit the nail on the head. Hypocrisy is not confined to just Republicans. Democrats have just as much of it. Now we can watch the shoe on the other foot for at least the next 4 years.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You and so many others were all up Cheney and everyone else's asses for this exact same thing, calling them "corrupt," "criminals," "tools of Halliburton," etc.

    ..there seems to me like there is substantially larger difference between the former CEO of Halliburton being part (and by that I mean second in command) of the same administration that gave Halliburton billion dollar contracts...

    And a guy who is :

    Deputy health and human services secretary nominee

    On another note though :

    .....what exactly is a : Deputy Health and Human Services Secretary?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Look at this way, there are far far far far fewer lobbyists in an Obama administration than there would have been in a McCain administration. A huge chunk of McCain's main campaign staff and backers were lobbyists, and I dont doubt for a second that they would have had top jobs in his administration.
    Notwithstanding that obviously exagerrated descriptions in your post, Obama's also had many lobbyists on his campaign staff and accepted tons of money from individuals employed by lobbying firms and corporations that employed lobbysists despite Obama claiming that he didn't accept constributions from special interests. Of course, as usual, you have to look at the details as Obama's declaration really only meant he didn't accept $$$ from, say, the NEA but he surely did accept tons of cash from NEA employees and lobbyists.

    BTW - there is no Cheney exception. That is, if you want to believe that Cheney's receipt of deferred compensation constituted a conflict of interest, well, you're free to do so, but I'd like to invite you back to reality.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ..there seems to me like there is substantially larger difference between the former CEO of Halliburton being part (and by that I mean second in command) of the same administration that gave Halliburton billion dollar contracts...

    And a guy who is :

    Deputy health and human services secretary nominee

    On another note though :

    .....what exactly is a : Deputy Health and Human Services Secretary?
    Are you OK with the fact that Obama lied about having lobbyists in his administration?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    But other than that, yes it is disappointing that Obama did not keep his promise 100% on this issue, but then again, I would rather have a lobbyist that is an expert in said field that he or she is suppose to be in charge off, than the Bush Republican way of promoting personal friends, brownnosers and other "friends" to positions where they are not qualified in any way what so ever.
    Yeah, 'cuz, Obama has not appointed such friends, has he?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ..there seems to me like there is substantially larger difference between the former CEO of Halliburton being part (and by that I mean second in command) of the same administration that gave Halliburton billion dollar contracts...

    And a guy who is :

    Deputy health and human services secretary nominee

    On another note though :

    .....what exactly is a : Deputy Health and Human Services Secretary?
    Comparing an elected figure, the Vice President, to appointed figures, Seceretary's and others, is kind of apples to oranges.

    There's definitely lobbyists in Bush's camp that you could've used to use an honest comparison. Instead, you choose Dick Cheney whose not a good example because its a completely different TYPE of position. This makes me wonder why you didn't go for an actual legitimate analogy. And, even if you had...so what? Why is it okay for people to have no problem with Obama doing something (having lobbyists AND seemingly purposefully breaking a campaign promise and/or lieing) that they had a problem with Bush doing it?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    Obama promised change from politics as usual and thus far is a miserable failure.
    He's been in office a week and you pronounce him a "miserable failure". I'm surprised you waited so long. Honeymoon, eh?

    I think we all realize that when non-elected officials are not in office, they often work as lobbyists. That doesn't mean they sell their soul to K street, and it certainly doesn't brand the Obama administration as a "miserable failure"
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ..there seems to me like there is substantially larger difference between the former CEO of Halliburton being part (and by that I mean second in command) of the same administration that gave Halliburton billion dollar contracts.
    What is the difference and how is that alleged difference even relevant?

    We have Obama declaring something and then Obama violating that promise. This is his new campaign theme. All of his promises come with an expiration date...all of them.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ..there seems to me like there is substantially larger difference between the former CEO of Halliburton being part (and by that I mean second in command) of the same administration that gave Halliburton billion dollar contracts...

    And a guy who is :

    Deputy health and human services secretary nominee[/I]
    In practice, I would assume that a Deputy Secretary of Defense will have far more contact with and influence over matters involving Raytheon than a Vice-President would have with Halliburton.

    On another note though :

    .....what exactly is a : [I]Deputy Health and Human Services Secretary?
    The guy who assists the guy who runs the OTHER gigantic money pit that the federal government pours its cash into.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    In practice, I would assume that a Deputy Secretary of Defense will have far more contact with and influence over matters involving Raytheon than a Vice-President would have with Halliburton.

    In fact, Cheney brazenly handed Iraq over to Halliburton with no other companies allowed to bid. I doubt Raytheon will get such a sweet deal.

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