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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    which directly contradicts his campaign promise.
    Well, is this man serving in the White House?


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    so we shouldn't take what Obama says literally except when it doesn't contradict his promises?
    You shouldn't take any politician for their literal statement. Obama is no exception.

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    So his critics are seeing their fears realized: he severely lacks experience.
    If you mean he lacks experience at being the President. Yes, he did lack experience never being President before.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I'm not speaking of Bush "judgement calls", but deliberate lies, uttered to take advantage of the public's trust of their president. Lies to generate approval to go to war, lies about the results of that war, lies about political dirty tricks to justify that war, lies about torture and incarceration of many innocent people. Americans trust their president....Bush used that trust to make fools out of the American people and their elected representatives. And I have little tolerance for those who rationalized and supported his lies while he was in office.
    I've already discussed this, there is no good proof he lied, if there was I will grant you that, but we as conservatives have explained over and over that mistakes aren't lies.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Just another example of the partisan bigotry from the Dems.

    Their guy lies, and he gets a pass.
    Which brings us to the basic premise of this thread, and surprise, the Bush attack machine doesn't like it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Name me a President that kept all of his campaign promises, and I'll sell you a bridge.
    That's not the point, the left went on full attack mode for the very same thing against the last president, and are now circling the wagons to defend their candidates outright lie. This is admittedly a smaller issue, but speaks to a much larger one, Obama promised change and got elected on that mantra, and now we see the S.O.S. The best "change" could be the simple act of keeping a campaign promise.


    You know, didn't Dubya promise in 2000 that he'd not start a war without exhausting diplomacy? LOL I'll have to find that video.
    Twelve years of failed U.N. diplomatic dealings with Iraq was pretty patient if you ask me.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Take a look at all the petty thread started by democrats, and I doubt you'll find my participation.
    To your credit, I have seen you as a rational debator, so thanks for that.

    Having said that, you bet there were a lot of good and legitimate issues to bitch about when it came to the Bush Administration. No one should be faulted for that.
    The conservatives on this board have conceded the real issues with the Bush administration for the most part, however we have seen some real moon-bat behavior among the rabid leftists around here, so if you get caught in the crossfire, my apologies, but threads like this are payback and I have no problem participating, I owe it to the Bush Hate Syndrome crowd.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post

    a) They could be the best people for the job
    Could be, but the burden of proof is higher because of the no lobbyist promise.
    b) They don't appear to be crony pals
    Who knows with Chicago style politicians, but I can't say either way.
    c) It's too early to decipher whether they're doing a lousy enough job to complain.
    That's fair.
    d) They're not former horse show judges.
    You had to bring Brown up! Ouch, but yeah, he sucked.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    3) It's seems he's hiring quality people for the right positions. As far as I know, none are buddy appointments. Cool.
    Curious - where are you getting this from? You know that a huge portion of the appointments he's made are either people he's worked with before or people he knows from Chicago, right?

    I'm not saying that this is necessarily bad, or that these people aren't qualified, I'm just amused by how quickly you declare that these people aren't "cronies" while you were so quick to label anyone Bush knew before appointing as exactly that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hmmmm... Game set match?
    You know, I was about to respond to this sarcastically, saying "Well, once they get jobs in the white house, then they're not lobbyists anymore, right?!" Then I saw this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    By hiring lobbyists, that would no longer make them lobbyists. They now work for the people.
    And I didn't really need to.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    First of all I'm going to start out using the repub form of excuse making.

    1) define what Obama meant by "won't find a job in my White House."
    2) He didn't say anything about former lobbyists (this one is right from the Rev, American, Jmak... playbook)
    3) define what a lobbyist is. Isn't it someone who worked for a lobbying firm? How many of the appointees worked for a lobbying firm?


    Really, fom my playbook? I need you to prove this lest you look like a liar.


    If you bothered to take your "I love Obama, he is so dreamy tweeny fan club" hyper partisan glasses for a moment you would see your ilk doing exactly what you just lied about the Good Reverend about....

    FAIL.


    Now for the honest answer. I don't think he lied, I think he's realized that it's harder to find the best people for the positions than he thought it would be. It just so happens that some of the best people worked in related industries. Lying implies that he knew when he said it that he would be hiring lobbyists. I don't think he did that.

    imagine you gave that same benefit of the doubt to Bush.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    What happened to the VETTING process we heard so much about during the campaign?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No it's a realistic establishment of a campaign principle. It eliminates the ability for lobbyists to serve in the administration except for this exceptional circumstances voted on by the White House counsel.


    The principle is not naive. Thinking that ideal should equate the the literal phrasing of his sentence is.



    I don't think he believed such before but came to realize the issue cannot be so black and white, like most things.


    Hmm just this one? wasn't turbo tax geitner a lobbyist as well?
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