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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    When you make the statement that "[lobbyists] won't work in my White House.", your answer to that question is "yes".
    Ah yes. Government positions should go to people that can't do the job quite as well because a statement was made during a campaign rally in 2007.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Ah yes. Government positions should go to people that can't do the job quite as well because a statement was made during a campaign rally in 2007.
    Don't blame ME, blame The Messiah -- they're his words, not mine.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Obama passed the ethics rule on January 21. There are now regulations in place and processes and monitoring of the exceptions. He obviously took steps to limit lobbyists that previous Presidents never cared to.


    The EO is a total abandonment of a core campaign principle.

    "total abandonment of a central campaign principle." is pretty melodramatic.
    And still it is factual.

    Why? Because he didn't setup a press conference to state such a thing?
    No, because Obama would not have thought to make changing the game in Washington his core change principle had he believed that such an endeavor reflected naivete.

    If you think Obama believed such a declaration regarding change was naive and yet still carried it as a campaign principle, well, now you're saying that Obama is a liar.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Ah yes. Government positions should go to people that can't do the job quite as well because a statement was made during a campaign rally in 2007.
    Come on now...

    I would have expected Obama to at least acknowledge that he was abandoning his core change principles. He could have simply stated that he had to modify his prior promises to change the game because there are some very good people out there that we should want in government despite their past lobbying experience, their tax troubles, their lying about pardoning terrorists, etc.

    Seems reasonable to me.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    First of all I'm going to start out using the repub form of excuse making.

    1) define what Obama meant by "won't find a job in my White House."
    2) He didn't say anything about former lobbyists (this one is right from the Rev, American, Jmak... playbook)
    3) define what a lobbyist is. Isn't it someone who worked for a lobbying firm? How many of the appointees worked for a lobbying firm?

    Formalized in a recent presidential executive order, it forbids executive branch employees from working in an agency, or on a program, for which they have lobbied in the last two years.
    Now for the honest answer. I don't think he lied, I think he's realized that it's harder to find the best people for the positions than he thought it would be. It just so happens that some of the best people worked in related industries. Lying implies that he knew when he said it that he would be hiring lobbyists. I don't think he did that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Now for the honest answer. I don't think he lied, I think he's realized that it's harder to find the best people for the positions than he thought it would be. It just so happens that some of the best people worked in related industries. Lying implies that he knew when he said it that he would be hiring lobbyists. I don't think he did that.
    Honest question here. Do you think any of his plethora of advisers told him or alerted him of the fact that he likely would need to hire lobbyists to work in his white house but he took the advise of others and his own principled belief and made this a campaign issue and statement?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Now for the honest answer. I don't think he lied, I think he's realized that it's harder to find the best people for the positions than he thought it would be. It just so happens that some of the best people worked in related industries. Lying implies that he knew when he said it that he would be hiring lobbyists. I don't think he did that.
    That's a perfectly acceptable answer. But its indicative of the overarching problem: how many more campaign promises is he going to fail to keep for one reason or another?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Don't blame ME, blame The Messiah -- they're his words, not mine.
    I do. I have stated repeatedly that his statement in 2007 was naive.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

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    The EO is a total abandonment of a core campaign principle.
    No it's a realistic establishment of a campaign principle. It eliminates the ability for lobbyists to serve in the administration except for this exceptional circumstances voted on by the White House counsel.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    No, because Obama would not have thought to make changing the game in Washington his core change principle had he believed that such an endeavor reflected naivete.
    The principle is not naive. Thinking that ideal should equate the the literal phrasing of his sentence is.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    If you think Obama believed such a declaration regarding change was naive and yet still carried it as a campaign principle, well, now you're saying that Obama is a liar.
    I don't think he believed such before but came to realize the issue cannot be so black and white, like most things.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No it's a realistic establishment of a campaign principle. It eliminates the ability for lobbyists to serve in the administration except for this exceptional circumstances voted on by the White House counsel.
    which directly contradicts his campaign promise.


    The principle is not naive. Thinking that ideal should equate the the literal phrasing of his sentence is.
    so we shouldn't take what Obama says literally except when it doesn't contradict his promises?

    I don't think he believed such before but came to realize the issue cannot be so black and white, like most things.
    So his critics are seeing their fears realized: he severely lacks experience.
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