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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Meh.

    What does that mean, anyway? Because they were lobbyists, they are not qualified for the job? Conflict of interest?
    I don't see how there's not a conflict of interest in some cases. That being said, I'm not generally opposed to lobbyists working in government, regardless of who they work for. The only reason it's an issue now is because Obama ranted and raved about this exact issue, making promises that he hasn't kept.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Look at this way, there are far far far far fewer lobbyists in an Obama administration than there would have been in a McCain administration. A huge chunk of McCain's main campaign staff and backers were lobbyists, and I dont doubt for a second that they would have had top jobs in his administration.
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No conflict of interest as it follows the Cheney exception.........
    Then I guess it's a good thing McCain didn't pledge to keep lobbyists out of his administration and then pass an executive order banning them, isn't it?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    How many of you remember Obama's promise, made during his campaign, that lobbyists would have no place in an Obama administration? Turns out that we have replaced one liar in the White House with another liar in the White House.

    The issue here, folks, is quite simple. Either Obama lied, or Obama did not lie. This is the question that I ask Obama supporters right now. You guys were quite vocal about Bush lying. Are you going to be consistent and call Obama out for his untruthfulness too, or are you going to come up with partisan excuses for him, like Bush supporters did during his administration? And don't come up with "Bush's lies were worse". A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. Aren't you a little miffed right now that the man you supported went back on his word, and treated you like a chump?




    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Look at this way, there are far far far far fewer lobbyists in an Obama administration than there would have been in a McCain administration. A huge chunk of McCain's main campaign staff and backers were lobbyists, and I dont doubt for a second that they would have had top jobs in his administration.
    That's not the point, and McCain lost so what he would have would have not done is irrelevent. Obama said lobbyists would have no place in his administration, not that there would be fewer places for them than a McCain administration. Did Obama lie or did he not lie?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Then I guess it's a good thing McCain didn't pledge to keep lobbyists out of his administration and then pass an executive order banning them, isn't it?
    He did however call them "birds of prey" and other not so flattering words and did promote himself and Palin as "mavericks" that were not in the pockets of the "usual politics" which of course includes lobbyists. Now the funny part is the amount of lobbyists in his staff... including his top campaign staff... but that is of course ancient history and he did loose.. big time.

    But other than that, yes it is disappointing that Obama did not keep his promise 100% on this issue, but then again, I would rather have a lobbyist that is an expert in said field that he or she is suppose to be in charge off, than the Bush Republican way of promoting personal friends, brownnosers and other "friends" to positions where they are not qualified in any way what so ever.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Pete.

    Mcain and Palin lost.



    Concentrate.


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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Ah I see...

    Lobbyist in a Bush or McCain administration = bad evil things that try to suck the money from the government, give kick backs to their croonies, and all around bad doods.

    Lobbyist in the Obama administration = Experts in their field that will be wonderful and respectable civil servants.

    Bush never actually directly says that Iraq had anything to do the actual 9/11 attacks, but "Bush Lied"

    Obama flatly said there would be no lobbyist in his white house, then puts lobbyist in his white house, and he just didn't keep his promise "100%".

    How does that percentage work PeteEU? What? His promise is damaged 5% per lobbyist? So he can have 12 lobbyists in his white house and he's only what? 40% breaking his promise? How do you get the equation there for that percentage Pete, I'd love to know it.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He did however call them "birds of prey" and other not so flattering words and did promote himself and Palin as "mavericks" that were not in the pockets of the "usual politics" which of course includes lobbyists. Now the funny part is the amount of lobbyists in his staff... including his top campaign staff... but that is of course ancient history and he did loose.. big time.

    But other than that, yes it is disappointing that Obama did not keep his promise 100% on this issue, but then again, I would rather have a lobbyist that is an expert in said field that he or she is suppose to be in charge off, than the Bush Republican way of promoting personal friends, brownnosers and other "friends" to positions where they are not qualified in any way what so ever.
    ****ing hilarious. You rip on McCain for having lobbyists on his staff, and then turn around and point out how great and useful lobbyists are when Obama uses them.

    You and so many others were all up Cheney and everyone else's asses for this exact same thing, calling them "corrupt," "criminals," "tools of Halliburton," etc.

    Now that the Democrats are doing the exact same thing, after explicitly pledging not to, you couldn't care less.

    It's depressing, more than anything.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    This is great:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering that McCain has 179 lobbyist running his campaign, people who have links to failed banks, countries and questionable people, then sure.... shake up Washington by getting rid of his own people?

    And even better:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    And to be fair, John McCain has been "anti lobbyist" for years.. and then he flip flops AGAIN, and hires tons of them. Hypocrite... but he probably just forgot his stance.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    owned. ........
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    That's not good. I think that he should definately be taken to task for this, and that people should demand he ask them to resign.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Look at this way, there are far far far far fewer lobbyists in an Obama administration than there would have been in a McCain administration.
    So.. its Ok that Obama lied, so long as he has fewer lobbyists than you think the other guy would have had.

    Roger roger.

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