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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I've got nothing against Democrats that will say something along the lines of:

    "Yes, I don't like this. Yes, it does seem like politics as usual and he was being dishonest. However, its still early on and while this does make leery I would like at least a year to see what promises he keeps, what promsies he doesn't, and what steps he takes to fulfill his promises."
    Well, we know of several that he has not kept and that I keep highlighting.

    So, again, what are you waiting for?

    FISA and telecom immunity.
    Immediate Gitmo closure.
    Immediate Iraq withdrawal.
    NAFTA.
    Public campaign financing.
    Lobbyists.
    Changing the same old Washington players.
    A divided Jerusalem.
    Debating McCain.
    Declaring Iran the greatest threat to the US then calling Iran a "tiny country" not "posing a serious threat."
    Preconditions on diplomacy with Iran.
    Throwing Jeremiah Wright under the bus.
    Jim Johnson.
    Flip-flopping on nuke energy - against, for, against.
    Partial birth abortion.

    Now, given all of this...

    What the hell are you people waiting for?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So it was not:
    As I said, he was naive in making such a statement back in 2007.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    To, "except the ones I like"......
    In this case it is "except one's requested by heads of departments.". You may not agree but, personally, if the Defense Secretary said "This is the best man for the job". I would try to get that guy on my staff.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    I wonder how many people in this thread posted in the "The treatment of Bush is a disgrace" thread and what their stances were.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    As I said, he was naive in making such a statement back in 2007.




    In this case it is "except one's requested by heads of departments.". You may not agree but, personally, if the Defense Secretary said "This is the best man for the job". I would try to get that guy on my staff.





    So he was naive then and lobbyists are NOT a problem now?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Gibberish, it doesn't matter whether you judge it naive. Your judgment ain't a basis for defending Obama's total abandonment of a central campaign principle.

    Obama certainly didn't think it was naive.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    To, "except the ones I like"......
    In this case it is "except one's requested by heads of departments.". You may not agree but, personally, if the Defense Secretary said "This is the best man for the job". I would try to get that guy on my staff.
    This is the rationalization to which I was referring.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I wonder how many people in this thread posted in the "The treatment of Bush is a disgrace" thread and what their stances were.
    I have posted there.

    I don't see the relevance, though?

    I guess if I defend Bush from deliberate lies and distortions that I cannot credibly call out Obama for lying?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Gibberish, it doesn't matter whether you judge it naive. Your judgment ain't a basis for defending Obama's total abandonment of a central campaign principle.
    Obama certainly didn't think it was naive.
    The Obamaistas should just be honest with us and admit that 'He's our Messiah, so we don't care if He lied!"

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    I have posted there.

    I don't see the relevance, though?

    I guess if I defend Bush from deliberate lies and distortions that I cannot credibly call out Obama for lying?
    You can do whatever you like.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So he was naive then and lobbyists are NOT a problem now?
    No lobbyists are a problem. They need to be regulated and monitored, which is what is occurring.
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