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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Seriously?



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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Obama himself qualified his statement over a year ago when he realized the most experienced Washington administrators had some links to lobbys.
    Not so much:

    Formalized in a recent presidential executive order, it forbids executive branch employees from working in an agency, or on a program, for which they have lobbied in the last two years.

    Yet in the past few days, a number of exceptions have been granted, with the administration conceding at least two waivers and that a handful of other appointees will recuse themselves from dealing with matters on which they lobbied within the two-year window.
    Obama finds room for lobbyists - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How is Mr. Corr in violation if he adheres to the ethics rules set in place?
    He's in violation, he just doesn't need a waiver, because he's using a different loophole..."promising" to not be involved in tabacoo issues...to bypass the rules.

    Its a technicality, its a loophole, its a bush-esque move that would likely have many Democrats screaming "bull****" and claiming he's lieing and will actually be involved just not "officially".

    Its not change, its more of the same.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    What so hard about this??? Obama lied/"changed his mind". Just admit it. It doesn't mean he will do it in the future with other campaign promises. Only time will tell.

    Why is it so hard for Obamaphiles to be honest? Admit it and move on!
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He's in violation, he just doesn't need a waiver, because he's using a different loophole..."promising" to not be involved in tabacoo issues...to bypass the rules.

    Its a technicality, its a loophole, its a bush-esque move that would likely have many Democrats screaming "bull****" and claiming he's lieing and will actually be involved just not "officially".

    Its not change, its more of the same.
    It is suspect I give you that. I wouldn't call stating you will follow the rules as a "loophole" though. I would wonder what checks are in place to monitor if he does violate the rules though.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It is suspect I give you that. I wouldn't call stating you will follow the rules as a "loophole" though. I would wonder what checks are in place to monitor if he does violate the rules though.
    I'm going to sit and wait to see what develops be befor I jump.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Yes, what you say here is true.

    But the very people upset by this "politics as usual" didn't vote for change. They were perfectly fine with lobbyists in the White House. They were worried about "radical change". Yet here they are acting as if they were hoping for change. Yes, I am disappointed that he hired a lobbyist. It's hypocritical of him to do this. I have yet to see a person not be hypocritical at least once in their life. All you have to do is look at this thread to find it on all sides.

    I realize that politics is a 24/7 gotcha game. There's always something to say gotcha about.
    Right, nothing to see here. No major violation of his campaign's primary principle. Move along...

    I love this effort to dismiss this issue by noting that everyone does it.

    No, not everyone runs for President and no, not everyone who does run for President makes change a central campaign theme, and, no, not everyone who does run for President and makes change their central campaign theme then promises to run lobbyists out town, except for those lobbyists that candidate happens to want on his campaign staff or in the White House.

    Obama could have at least told us which lobbyists were the bad ones and promised to run them out...

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm going to sit and wait to see what develops be befor I jump.



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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

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    Let look in my crystal ball............

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    By hiring lobbyists, that would no longer make them lobbyists. They now work for the people. If their performance--at any time--indicates that they do not have the American best interest in mind, then yes, they should be scrutinized.
    Now you're just behaving naively.

    Obama certainly doesn't agree with the statement above. That's why he promised to rewrite the rules regulating how lobbyists move in and out fo government (see, again, the campaign declaration I cited earlier from Obama).

    This is why I don't see this as a big issue. At this point, there are much bigger fish to fry, IMO. If people here want to staunchly hold the position that Obama is a big liar, fine I'll go with it. I guess I just see things differently as this issue is not a big whoop to me. Semantics bore more, while I find results most interesting and important.
    Semantics???

    Sematics??

    What did Obama say? That lobbyists would not find jobs in an Obama White House.

    He didn't say that he'd only some lobbyists. He said none would.

    There is no semantic problem here.

    The problem is yet, again, Obama has completely reversed himself on a campaign issue that he determined was important to have expressed an unconditional and unequivocal promise about.

    This is an indisputable pattern: FISA telcom immunity, NAFTA, public campaign cash, immediate closure of Gitmo, immediate withdrawal from Iraq, not having lobbyists on his campaign staff, a divided Jerusalem, playing the Washington game differently with different people, etc., etc.

    How some of you brush this off as "everyone does it" (they don't), a semantics game (it's not), or just partisan rancor (it may be but you guys were the ones calling Bush a liar for eight years) is simply amazing.

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