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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How is this topic relevant to what I bolded???

    These people are no longer "powerful" lobbyists, therefore they are now representations of the American government, not a corporation. I hope that Obama will NOT fall to the powerful lobbyists when it comes to decisions/policies made for healthcare and the environment. See the difference?

    And BTW, as far as I know, Obama campaign of change was a heck of a lot more than that. Transparency is a biggie, don't you think?
    What "transparency"?


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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think it's clear that the right has an agenda to defeat Obama which began the moment he was inaugurated. It has nothing to do with what Obama actually does or says, it has to do with picking the most appropriate weakness and exagerating it into outrage.
    Interesting that Obama's opposition expects him to keep his promises, and his supporters do not. Say whatever it takes to get elected, I guess...

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think it's clear that the right has an agenda to defeat Obama which began the moment he was inaugurated. It has nothing to do with what Obama actually does or says, it has to do with picking the most appropriate weakness and exagerating it into outrage.

    Every president makes mistakes, the right plans on using each mistake as a concrete example of why Democrats should not be allowed to govern. Today, all they have is the nomination of former lobbyists after Obama indicated a distaste for lobbyists in government. It's not much, but it will do.

    The basic strategy of the right is not to allow Obama to govern. A Democratic success is unacceptable. Republican legislators will not vote for legislation that casts Democrats in a favorable light. This is war. The notion of working together to strengthen America is immaterial and naive.

    Say this is true...

    how is it different from the past 5 years?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Say this is true...

    how is it different from the past 5 years?
    You know, I was thinking, maybe the GOP refusal to reach across the aisle so far is to take away any claims of bipartisanship from Obama. Let's say that Obama realizes this and let's Rove hang. The GOP gets the war it is looking for.

    Or maybe I need to take a nap.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Interesting that Obama's opposition expects him to keep his promises, and his supporters do not. Say whatever it takes to get elected, I guess...


    Lies are not mistakes.
    Obama himself qualified his statement over a year ago when he realized the most experienced Washington administrators had some links to lobbys. Yet you continue to repeat the word "lie" as if impeachment were in order. Did you turn your back on George Bush so soon? Did you, in fact, ever turn your back on him?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You know, I was thinking, maybe the GOP refusal to reach across the aisle so far is to take away any claims of bipartisanship from Obama. Let's say that Obama realizes this and let's Rove hang. The GOP gets the war it is looking for.

    Or maybe I need to take a nap.
    You need to take a nap. The dems shut any sort of compromise or republican input an expect them THEN to reach accross the aisle?



    I will give Obama credit here. He appeared willing to listen to Republicans. Too bad princess pelosi and the rest of the dems shut them out.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Obama himself qualified his statement over a year ago when he realized the most experienced Washington administrators had some links to lobbys. Yet you continue to repeat the word "lie" as if impeachment were in order. Did you turn your back on George Bush so soon? Did you, in fact, ever turn your back on him?

    Please quote and link, I think you made this up.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Actually, scratch what I said sorry, he didn't have AN ad dedicated to attacking McCain for lobbyists...

    He dedicated TWO ads at least to it:

    First

    Second

    Seems the Obama campaign said lobbyists in the white house was "more of the same". That the use of lobbyists showed you weren't really a "reformer". So much for a change in Politics as Usual.

    Why is this an issue? Its not just that he lied. Its counter to EVERYTHING his campaign was run on. It was ran on Hope. Hope for what? Hope for change...yet by Obama's own definition this isn't change, its more of the same. Hope for no more Politics as usual...yet by obama's own definition this isn't change, its more of the same. He ran that it was to clean up the image of government, yet already he's being at least dishonest....that's not change, its more of the same.

    The reason this is significant is because its a CLEAR example of his campaign being nothing but...well...Politics as Usual.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How is this topic relevant to what I bolded???

    These people are no longer "powerful" lobbyists, therefore they are now representations of the American government, not a corporation. I hope that Obama will NOT fall to the powerful lobbyists when it comes to decisions/policies made for healthcare and the environment. See the difference?

    And BTW, as far as I know, Obama campaign of change was a heck of a lot more than that. Transparency is a biggie, don't you think?
    If you don't think it's relevant than you really are clueless here.

    Obama has long been carping about the level of influence that lobbyists play in Washington. His response to this level of influence was to promise that he would a) not hire lobbyists on his campaign and administration; and b) that he wuld change the rules regulating how lobbyists could move in and out of government.

    This was a major political ethics issue in his campaign.

    My comment that you bolded is relevant because it's the basis of his promises not to hire lobbyists and to change the rules about lobbyists moving into and out of government service.

    Here's what Obama said repeatedly during the campaign:
    [quote]One year from now, we have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race - and Iíve won. I donít take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they wonít find a job in my White House.[quote]

    Notice, no qualifications, no conditions, no equivocating. Rather, an explicit declaration that, "they wonít find a job in my White House".

    And, again, this was Obama's campaign theme...lobbyists setting the agenda will end and I will make it end by not hiring them and by changing the rules on how they move in and out of government service.

    You cannot cover for this without looking foolish.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Obama
    One year from now, we have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race - and I’ve won. I don’t take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won’t find a job in my White House.




    hmmmm... Game set match?
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