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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You can go nuts on him all you want. But don't expect most to think your're being reasonable by bitching about each and every little thing.
    And you've made the exact same statement to all the W haters that did the exact same thing -- right?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If it's legit, you bet.


    Which ones are not legit in your mind?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is "debatepolitics", I am discussing the POTUS. I am sorry you want to do the liberal "Lets attack the Good Reverend" for daring to discuss dear leader.
    Yes, this is debate politics. And if she feels that a point you're making is frivilous and not worthy of discussion her pointing it out is not "attacking" you. Just because YOU or even I feel that a matter is legitimate doesn't mean others have to. Stating that you believe something is frivilous and thus you don't care about it IS a legitimate feeling and thought...NOT an attack on you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    And it is not the same. I have yet to call him the Socialist chimp, or other derogatory names. I am simply bringing up issues of his going back on his campaign promises, his picks, and his early policies.

    And unlike left wingers over the last 8 years, when he does something right, like the recent EEO EO, and his slamming wall street bonuses, I applaud him....

    Yes...yes...relating him to Kim Jong-Il repeatedly with your childish "Dear Leader" crap is certainly not a derogatory name, and I'm sure "The Messiah" is meant completely with endearment. Additionally, my post wasn't wasn't talking about you specifically, but the left in generald and the right on general. And those on the right HAVE been calling him a socialist, or calling him an "Obamanation", how about "Nerobama" I'm sure that term is meant to be endearing.

    Guess what Reverend, you're not the entire Right. I'm not the entire Right. Yes, there are people on the right that ARE going after him for pointless, idiotic things, just like the left did. From sentiments like "OMG he had drinks and STEAK during a recession!?" to "I can't believe he had the nerve to use Kennedy books behind him in a speech!", there are pointless things being brought up by our side that are hardly even minor issues in my mind.

    But everyone has a different view of what is an issue. The steaks weren't an issue to me, they were to you. Things that the left have brought up over the past 8 years may've included things that you thought wasn't an issue, I thought was a minor issue, and they thought was major. There's no universal rule on what is frivilous and what isn't, there's just opinion.

    But it is an absolutely uniformed, blind position to say that those on the Right aren't going to complain about issue that people consider minor, and its the same uniformed, blind position to say those on the right haven't been saying derogatory attacking things about him on par with Facist Chimp.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And you've made the exact same statement to all the W haters that did the exact same thing -- right?
    No, but I'm pretty sure you've made similar type notions in the past.

    Yet I've not seen you speak up in any thread about some frivilant things with Obama. Happily to be corrected though.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Chimp would immediately be considered racist by the left.
    A black person referring to GWB as a "chimp" isn't racist.
    A white person referring to a black person as a "monkey" IS racist.

    It must be nice to be the one that writes and re-wrotes these rules..

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, but I'm pretty sure you've made similar type notions in the past.

    Yet I've not seen you speak up in any thread about some frivilant things with Obama.
    Happily to be corrected though.
    Frivilant things.... like what?

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, this is debate politics. And if she feels that a point you're making is frivilous and not worthy of discussion her pointing it out is not "attacking" you. Just because YOU or even I feel that a matter is legitimate doesn't mean others have to. Stating that you believe something is frivilous and thus you don't care about it IS a legitimate feeling and thought...NOT an attack on you.

    Yeah like I think this post of yours is your typical "whining and bitching" (her words) nonsense?


    It is the method of the intellectually challenged (no offence) in my opinion who choose to whine and complain about me and not discuss the topic as a means of avoiding honest discussion.

    You see no problem with it. Me, I see it as a core problem here.





    Yes...yes...relating him to Kim Jong-Il repeatedly with your childish "Dear Leader" crap is certainly not a derogatory name, and I'm sure "The Messiah" is meant completely with endearment. Additionally, my post wasn't wasn't talking about you specifically, but the left in generald and the right on general. And those on the right HAVE been calling him a socialist, or calling him an "Obamanation", how about "Nerobama" I'm sure that term is meant to be endearing.

    Show me where I have done that unprovoked or take off your bash righty fightin gloves you are known for.


    You get what you give with me.


    Yes Nerobama was a clever historical reference. I was going to use the obamatoinette one as well.But hey I ran out of space.


    "nerobama" refers to him having a cocktail party with wagyu beef while the country is in the "worst economy since the great depression".....


    Nero fiddling while rome burns. Sorry you didn't get it.


    But anyway, Please, if you want me to do a day of treating Obama the way the left treated Bush, let me know., I will make your day a very busy one.


    Guess what Reverend, you're not the entire Right. I'm not the entire Right. Yes, there are people on the right that ARE going after him for pointless, idiotic things, just like the left did. From sentiments like "OMG he had drinks and STEAK during a recession!?" to "I can't believe he had the nerve to use Kennedy books behind him in a speech!", there are pointless things being brought up by our side that are hardly even minor issues in my mind.

    Yeah, I made the wagyu beef thread. If you can't see this in the same light as flyin your lear to get bailout money, I can't help you in your comlaining.

    It was a poor judgment call. And a legitimate topic.


    And this conversation was about me, MG made it so....



    But everyone has a different view of what is an issue. The steaks weren't an issue to me, they were to you. Things that the left have brought up over the past 8 years may've included things that you thought wasn't an issue, I thought was a minor issue, and they thought was major. There's no universal rule on what is frivilous and what isn't, there's just opinion.
    Its not the steaks, its about the image it projects. Sorry you missed that.


    But it is an absolutely uniformed, blind position to say that those on the Right aren't going to complain about issue that people consider minor, and its the same uniformed, blind position to say those on the right haven't been saying derogatory attacking things about him on par with Facist Chimp.



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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Now if Obama decided to poo-poo the more major promises from his campaign, then yeah, there better be some 'splaining. Till then, give him his 100 days.
    Now you're just ignoring the forest...

    We've already seen Obama expire several major campaign promises from NAFTA to FISA telcom to public campaign cash to playing the Washington game with different players to the current lobbyist problem.

    Look, his entire campaign was premised on change. That Obama represented change as a new kind of post-partisan politician and promised to change how Washington was run. That was the overarching of his campaign.

    You're already conceding that Obama has poo-pooed major promises, yet, you're willing to give him a generous benefit of the doubt. Given that he's already poo-pooed major campaign promises, why do you grant him such a broad benefit of the doubt?

    You know, didn't Dubya promise in 2000 that he'd not start a war without exhausting diplomacy? LOL I'll have to find that video.

    Oopsie!
    There's no oops, there. Throughout 2002 and into early 2003 Iraq displayed no substantial change in behavior which would lead any reasonable person to conlcude that it was going to alter its behavior. Iraq had already violated that ceasefire a decade prior and had remained in violation. Iraq had and continued to violate 16 UN resolutions on the matter. The UN had already imposed several different rounds of economic sanctions and embargoes without Iraq changing its behavior. Hell, Iraq, with France abd germany's aid, was attempting to have those sanctions rescinded, i.e., telling us that Iraq was not going to change its behavior, but working to altr the consequences of that behavior.

    By the way, it seems to me that you never would have conceded that diplomacy had been exhausted anyway so you're kinda holding Bush accountable to an unattainable standard.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    So whats your problem with this particular thread then?
    It seems he hired lobbyists for positions.

    a) They could be the best people for the job
    b) They don't appear to be crony pals
    c) It's too early to decipher whether they're doing a lousy enough job to complain.
    d) They're not former horse show judges.

    Of course kidding about the last one, but sorry, I just don't see the big whoop about this.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I highly doubt it was an important issue amongst the voters. I think people were most concerned about the economy, taxes and change, I would think.
    It's quite irrelevant whether it was an important issue among voters.

    Obama made it important by campaigning on it.

    I guess all of Obama's promises can be ignored if you judge that such promises or the issues that the promise addresses were important?

    By the way, you do realize that Obama's carping about lobbyist influence in Washington was directly tied to his campaign theme of change, right? Obama was arguing that Washington was run by powerful lobbying interests rather than by the people and that he was going to change that.

    I don't think you really understand what you are typing before you mash that submit button.

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