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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now I'm hardly one that's been going "nuts" on him on every single little thing he does. There's been a number of things already I've said are rather none issues, but there are some I think are legitimate.

    That said...

    Doesn't it suck for the shoe to be on the other foot? Cause this **** was going on for 8 years now from the other side.

    Funny, I don't remember you making urges to your fellow democrats to stop.



    And it is not the same. I have yet to call him the Socialist chimp, or other derogatory names. I am simply bringing up issues of his going back on his campaign promises, his picks, and his early policies.


    And unlike left wingers over the last 8 years, when he does something right, like the recent EEO EO, and his slamming wall street bonuses, I applaud him....
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You know, didn't Democrats complain that Dubya didn't keep his 2000 promise not to nation build?

    Wasn't it democrats on this forum that started up posts with the sole puprose to insult, degrade, and question the integrity of McCain based on NOTHING ELSE but him hiring Lobbyists onto his campaign team?

    So if its McCain's campaign having lobbyists, then they're absolutely bad and that absolutely mean McCain's bad...but if its Obama with lobbyists "lets wait and see, they could be good! Don't make judgement! Its a none issue even though OBAMA HIMSELF made lobbyists an issue"
    Honestly, I don't know much about that. That issue did not take weight to me, but I don't doubt what you're saying here.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    It's really early.

    My initial assessment thinks he's being mostly honest, and trying hard to fulfill his promises.
    Please be specific.

    1) He's reaching across the aisle and asking all sides for input. Wow, isn't that a huge change!
    yes he is to an extent. It is his dems in the house and congress who are not. but he does not have the balls to get them to play ball.

    2) He's just not handing over the bailout money. It's coming with clauses. Amazing that he cared enough to actually call out the money grabbing banking pigs by shaming them on national TV. Go Barack!

    Uhm actually he is, then afterwords he is calling the banks out.... should have done it the other way around.


    3) It's seems he's hiring quality people for the right positions. As far as I know, none are buddy appointments. Cool.

    then you have not been paying attention....


    Turbo tax gheitner anyone?



    There is more, but it's not necessary. So far, so good, IMO.

    not really, but hey true believing is bliss.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    And it is not the same. I have yet to call him the Socialist chimp, or other derogatory names. I am simply bringing up issues of his going back on his campaign promises, his picks, and his early policies.


    And unlike left wingers over the last 8 years, when he does something right, like the recent EEO EO, and his slamming wall street bonuses, I applaud him....
    Chimp would immediately be considered racist by the left. You'll have to use the term, surrender-monkey. No that won't do either. It'll have to be socialist primate.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now I'm hardly one that's been going "nuts" on him on every single little thing he does. There's been a number of things already I've said are rather none issues, but there are some I think are legitimate.

    That said...

    Doesn't it suck for the shoe to be on the other foot? Cause this **** was going on for 8 years now from the other side.

    Funny, I don't remember you making urges to your fellow democrats to stop.
    Take a look at all the petty thread started by democrats, and I doubt you'll find my participation.

    Having said that, you bet there were a lot of good and legitimate issues to bitch about when it came to the Bush Administration. No one should be faulted for that.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    . No one should be faulted for that.
    Nor should anybody be faulted for scrutinizing and criticizing Obama.
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Nor should anybody be faulted for scrutinizing and criticizing Obama.
    If it's legit, you bet.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If it's legit, you bet.
    So whats your problem with this particular thread then?
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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Name me a President that kept all of his campaign promises, and I'll sell you a bridge.
    You're trying to misdirect the conversation.

    "Everyone does it" isnt a defense.

    Like Missypea wrote, we must look at the gray. These hires could turn out to be solid. So what is the big deal?
    The big deal is that Obama lied.

    Now if Obama decided to poo-poo the more major promises...
    Oh, I see. Its OK that your guy lied, because the lie was 'small'.


    You know, didn't Dubya promise in 2000 that he'd not start a war without exhausting diplomacy?
    More misdirection (never mind that W did exactly that).

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    Re: Obama finds room for lobbyists

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I highly doubt it was an important issue amongst the voters. I think people were most concerned about the economy, taxes and change, I would think.
    Change?
    Where's that?

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