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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
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    The President nullifies a Supreme Court decision? This is outrageous. What about checks and balances? What about respecting the law?

    Why aren't the resident lefties here bemoaning this unconstitutional overreach by the President?

    Oh, that's right, I forgot...this is Obama and a Dem Congress overturning the Supreme Court...my bad.
    The Supreme Court ruled that the wording of the one clause of the law means that one must sue within 180 days of receiving the first discriminatory paycheck. By changing the law to change the wording of that clause, they have nullified a Supreme Court decision, yes. That's kinda how our government works

    The Supreme Court does things besides declare laws unconstitutional ya know

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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yeah, that part is rather fishy....
    Not really. I actually sympathized with the claimaint in that case because it's highly unlikely that an employee would know that a) there was some variance between their pay and another employee's; and b) even if such variance was known it's even more difficult to determine why the variance exists. Establishing a time limit of 180 days following the commencement of the alleged improper pay action is a tough one to overcome. Employees simply don't have the information necessary to determine when the alleged improper offense first occurred.

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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    The Supreme Court ruled that the wording of the one clause of the law means that one must sue within 180 days of receiving the first discriminatory paycheck. By changing the law to change the wording of that clause, they have nullified a Supreme Court decision, yes. That's kinda how our government works

    The Supreme Court does things besides declare laws unconstitutional ya know
    Yeah, I know. I'm just mocking, lefties, as I think was clear in my first post. They have for years now been incessantly whining that Bush was overreaching his authority and that congressional Republicans were overreaching their authority when they tried passing legislation that overturned court actions.

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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
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    The President nullifies a Supreme Court decision? This is outrageous. What about checks and balances? What about respecting the law?

    Why aren't the resident lefties here bemoaning this unconstitutional overreach by the President?

    Oh, that's right, I forgot...this is Obama and a Dem Congress overturning the Supreme Court...my bad.

    What? That's exactly what Congress is supposed to do. This is a happy day for strict constructionists - the system worked the way it should.
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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Should I have put ~SARCASM~ before and after those comments to reflect the sarcasm? I thought my last line coupled with a rolleyes would do the trick...

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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Should I have put ~SARCASM~ before and after those comments to reflect the sarcasm? I thought my last line coupled with a rolleyes would do the trick...
    Yah but that sentence was sarcastic too. Tone is hard to convey over the internet. Sarcastic sarcasm has to be done well

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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Here is my take on all this:

    Why legislate pay in the first place? If a company wants to discriminate against women, then let them. They will only be cutting off their own nose. Fact is, if women are just as good in the workplace as men (and I believe they are), then they can move on to companies that don't discriminate, and those companies who held them back become less competitive in the marketplace, thus paying the penalty for their assholishness. It is a much better solution than wasting tax money in a governmental attempt to accomplish the same end.
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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is my take on all this:

    Why legislate pay in the first place? If a company wants to discriminate against women, then let them. They will only be cutting off their own nose. Fact is, if women are just as good in the workplace as men (and I believe they are), then they can move on to companies that don't discriminate, and those companies who held them back become less competitive in the marketplace, thus paying the penalty for their assholishness. It is a much better solution than wasting tax money in a governmental attempt to accomplish the same end.
    Well, they aren't legislating pay. They're prohibiting employers from discriminating against individuals based on those protected categories like race, ethnicity, gender, etc.

    Of course, the lefties are too stupid to recognize that a variance in pay or variance between minorities employed and minority proportion in the general population by themselves are not evidence of discrimination, though, they have successfully gotten the courts to rule that it is via adverse impact nonsense.

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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Well, they aren't legislating pay. They're prohibiting employers from discriminating against individuals based on those protected categories like race, ethnicity, gender, etc.

    Of course, the lefties are too stupid to recognize that a variance in pay or variance between minorities employed and minority proportion in the general population by themselves are not evidence of discrimination, though, they have successfully gotten the courts to rule that it is via adverse impact nonsense.
    I believe that the end result is the same - They are legislating pay. I also include minimum wage laws in my statement. What companies and employees agree on as pay should be the only determining factor as to what the pay should be. Companies who can't or won't reach accommodation with their employees, be they male for female, will suffer, as it should be.
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    Re: Obama signs equal-pay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that the end result is the same - They are legislating pay. I also include minimum wage laws in my statement. What companies and employees agree on as pay should be the only determining factor as to what the pay should be. Companies who can't or won't reach accommodation with their employees, be they male for female, will suffer, as it should be.
    No, it's not the same result as employers can discriminate based on pay for a variety of legitimate reasons, e.g., education, training, experience, performance, longevity with the firm, etc. Legislation that prohibits pay discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, or gender ain't legislating pay and regulating pay behavior this way does not lead to pay equity.

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