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    Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

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    According to Mexico's National Association of Matadors, Michel "Michelito" Lagravere set the international record at his age for bull calves killed in a two-hour bullfight watched by more than 3,500 people.

    But Guinness World Records says it was not aware the event was taking place and will not recognize the result.
    Well, they know now. There were more than 3500 witnesses.

    "We do not accept records based on the killing or harming of animals," Guinness said on its Web site.
    Here is the real reason. Can this really be trusted as a repository for "world records" when they are inserting their own moral values in the recognition of what IS and what ISN'T a world record?

    More cultural imperialism.
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

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    Well, they know now. There were more than 3500 witnesses.



    Here is the real reason. Can this really be trusted as a repository for "world records" when they are inserting their own moral values in the recognition of what IS and what ISN'T a world record?

    More cultural imperialism.
    Who holds the record for the most people killed?

    What would be the ramifications of recognizing that record? Would people try to break it?
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

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    Well, they know now. There were more than 3500 witnesses.



    Here is the real reason. Can this really be trusted as a repository for "world records" when they are inserting their own moral values in the recognition of what IS and what ISN'T a world record?

    More cultural imperialism.
    They aren't saying that it isn't a world record. They are saying that Guinness World Records won't recognize it. It's completely within their rights to decide what records get published and what records don't. It's the same reason they (sometimes) don't include world records for people doing dangerous, stupid ****.

    If that's "cultural imperialism," so what? If you don't like it, start your own world records company with fewer ethical scruples.
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

    I can't wait until PETA recognizes it.
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

    Guinness is more than welcome to choose what records they decide to list. They are not beholden to anyone else, and if don't like their choices of records, don't buy their books. Personally I would have listed the record, but I'm not going to complain if someone else doesn't.

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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

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    I can't wait until PETA recognizes it.
    Doesn't PETA kill more dogs than anyone else?
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Guinness is more than welcome to choose what records they decide to list. They are not beholden to anyone else, and if don't like their choices of records, don't buy their books. Personally I would have listed the record, but I'm not going to complain if someone else doesn't.
    THen, that kind of kills their claim to list "world records" then, doesn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinness World Records
    It has been brought to the attention of Guinness World Records that 11-year-old Michelito Lagravere’s recent killing of six calves in a bullfight in Merida, Mexico will be submitted to Guinness World Records for recognition as a potential world record.


    Guinness World Records was not aware that this event was taking place, and will not recognise the result. We do not accept records based on the killing or harming of animals.
    If they don't recognize a record, then Guinness can't really say the published result is a world record, can they?
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    THen, that kind of kills their claim to list "world records" then, doesn't it?

    GWR

    If they don't recognize a record, then Guinness can't really say the published result is a world record, can they?
    Doesn't Guinness have to have it's own representatives there to make sure there is an actual record and event taking place? Anywho as far as your cultural imperialism goes :

    Guinness World Records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Several world records that were once included in the book have been removed for ethical reasons. By publishing world records in a category, the book may encourage others to try to beat that record, even at the expense of their own health and safety. For example, following publication of a "heaviest cat" record, many cat owners overfed their pets beyond the bounds of what was healthy, so entries such as these were removed.[citation needed] The Guinness Book also dropped records within their "eating and drinking records" section of Human Achievements in 1991 over concerns that potential competitors could do harm to themselves and expose the publisher to potential litigation.[9] These changes included the removal of all liquor, wine and beer drinking records, along with other unusual records for consuming such unlikely things as bicycles and trees.[9]Other records, such as sword swallowing and rally driving (on public roads), were closed from further entry as the current holders had performed beyond what are considered safe human tolerance levels.
    ....I really don't see your issue here. They have rules as to what GUINNESS World Records they'll allow and on which grounds. Save the Cultural Imperialism rhetoric for O'Reilley shows.
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

    How dare a private company keep track of some things that it likes and not keep track of others!

    Guinness has long declined to keep track of things that it thinks would not be in the spirit of its project.
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    Re: Guinness won't recognize Mexican child bullfighter

    THen, that kind of kills their claim to list "world records" then, doesn't it?
    Its the Guinness book of world records. They aren't some public agency dedicated to the public knowledge, they simply publish stuff of interest. They choose what is a record or not based on their own personal bias.

    If they don't recognize a record, then Guinness can't really say the published result is a world record, can they?
    I don't think Guinness publishes the record for youngest person to kill a bunch of bull calves.

    Guinness doesn't exclude records they don't like, they simply don't publish any record for activities they feel shouldn't be practiced in order to beat the record. I may not agree with some of their choices, but I have no problem with them for trying to be socially responsible.

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